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I have been reading a book of transcripts of Christopher Hitchens’ debates with theists. And while I don’t agree with every word that came from Hitch’s mouth I am constantly shocked at claims made by apologists/excusigists.
A common claim is that their god is so far beyond us it makes a two-year old trying to think like an adult to be not even close to the difficulty of us being able to understand this god. I immediately had to ask, how is this known? Who was the first to winkle this out of the conversations they were having in their head? Basically, if a two-year old can’t figure out how an adult thinks, and this god is much father away intellectually than from a two-year old to an adult, how is it that these folks know about how their god thinks?
“God is ineffable” The definition of ineffable is “too great or extreme to be expressed or described in words.” So, the first person twigging to this god-property surely didn’t have the concept explained to him in words, because … well, you know? So, how is this known? Who was the first to winkle this out of the conversations they were having in their head? Conversations without words, of course.
“God is transcendent!” The definition of transcendent is “beyond or above the range of normal or merely physical human experience.” So, did the first person to come up with this god-property have an extreme range of human experience, so that this god could be experienced? Or was he just full of shit?
“God is immutable!” Uh, where this idea came from, well it wasn’t scripture. Yahweh starts out as a member of a family of gods, becomes the main, then sole god of the Jews and then ends up as part of a Christian triune godhead. If that ain’t changing, I don’t know what is.
“God is eternal!” Gosh, were you there? You know, before the universe was created? And after we all die, you’d have to go on for an eternity to confirm this wild speculation. Let’s just agree that this is speculation, at best.
“God is truthful, incapable of lying!” And all-powerful, too. There is nothing He cannot do! Well, maybe….
“God is incomprehensible” Uh, how can one know this? One can admit they do not comprehend someone or something, but this is a claim that no one comprehends that deity and no one ever will. I gotta ask: How can anyone know this? Who was the first guy who extrapolated this from the mumblings heard in his own mind?
“God is impartial!” Tell that to “God’s Chosen People.” Why would he single out a single family line (Abraham’s) to rule much of the region we now call “the Holy Land” if he wasn’t going to be partial? I am beginning to believe that people make this shit up.
“God is self-existent, self-sufficient, and not dependent upon any external cause or support for his existence.” (This property is called aseity.) So, why did it create a race of sentient animals for the sole purpose of worshipping it? Sounds more than a little needy to me.
“God is infinite!” How could anyone find a measuring tape that large to confirm this? I tend to think that the made up god-property of omnipresence, aka “God is everywhere” was accepted and then since the universe is so fucking huge then God must be, too. The only problem is that omnipresence may seem like a likely god-power but it has no use to a god who is all-powerful and all-knowing. It doesn’t need to be anywhere to learn or do anything, so omnipresence is clearly made up by religious idiots who didn’t think it through. (This god is also beyond space and time but also everywhere and everywhen within space and time … I wish they would make up their fucking minds!)
“God is just!” Ask all of the tens of thousands of soldiers of King David who were killed because Yahweh says he ordered David to not take a census then he did! Scripture does not show Yahweh making such an order, but He is inerrant, so David didn’t stand a chance in court. And the killings of his men were a punishment for David, not the men themselves. I am sure that meant a lot to the dead soldiers relatives left behind. How the fuck that shows “God’s justice” is beyond me.
“God is righteous!” He is always righteous and does what is right, right? He never does the wrong thing … except when he declared that making human beings “was good” and then shortly thereafter drowned almost all of them like rats, along with all of the other animals, plants, etc. whose creation was also deemed “good.”
“God is strong!” But what about that rock he created that is so heavy … ?
“God is Unconquerable!” Unless, you know, you have iron chariots, but otherwise, yeah.
Gosh, very little of this makes sense but I guess that’s the charm and the draw of it. Believing weird shit to become a member of an exclusive club has always been attractive. Just ask the Masons, the Illuminati, the Republican Party, and those type folks.
The Effing Elites … Again … Still
Tags: corruption, effing elites, obscene wealth, politics, religion, Republicans, tax the rich, The Epstein Ballroom, Vanity Projects
I have been watching a number of documentaries of late about ancient Egyptian societies, which have fascinated me since I was a boy. Egyptian kings were considered gods, at least having one foot in godhood status. I don’t know if they invented the “god-king” concept but they were, at least, an early adopter.
One has to ask, why did the vast majority of the population give so much power to these people? Clearly the power was usurped by two means: force and religion. So-called kings who were just battle leaders kind of liked being able to order people around and so extended their hegemony into peace time, their loyal soldiers becoming “palace guards.” In many other cases, shamans or other “holy men” saw protection and a meal ticket by running interference for the powerful secular leaders and so made a marriage made in heaven, literally. The Secular-Religious Axis was a joint powers agreement.
Apologists will respond with points like “religion supplies order and is a salve for the vicissitudes of daily life. Religion a salve? Not hardly. Take the word of Tony Castaldo who started reading the Bible as a pre-teen: “And by the time I finished “Numbers”, I did understand God — I understood that God was a superhero story, like Superman or Spiderman, just one invented by brutal men that used violence and murder to subjugate women (so they could rape them at will with no repercussions) and children and slaves.”
Watching myriad Egyptian citizens (not slaves) muscling millions of stone blocks into the shape of a pyramid (two and a half million blocks in just the Great Pyramid, weighing approximately six million tons) over decades requires me to ask about the opportunity costs. What would those tens of thousands of healthy workers been able to do had they not been “assigned” stone carrying duties? Economists explain that whenever you tackle any task, you incur and “opportunity cost” in the form of giving up on what you could do on another task. And archaeologists have identified over 118 to 138 distinct pyramids in Egypt.
And who ordered these to be built? The Egyptian Kings, of course. And, then there are the grandiose temples (e.g. Karnak, Luxor, Abu Simbel, Edfu, Dendera, Hatshepsut, and Ramesseum and thousands of “lesser” temples) to be built for the priests, gotta keep them happy, too. (Google AI says, “These sites primarily served as homes for deities, built by pharaohs to showcase their devotion and power.” Exactly, vanity projects and political sops traded for priestly support.)
It is the Effing Elites who order such grotesque vanity projects, who decide to make war on neighbors, etc. What if instead, all of that labor and wealth were applied to controlling the flooding of the Nile? Or building affordable housing and providing affordable food and drink for ordinary Egyptians)? (I can hear the GOP caterwaulers screaming “Socialism!” already.)
If you then follow the history of the human race for the next 2000 years, you will see the same pattern, e.g. autocrats like Louis the Fourteenth, Mussolini, Hitler, and Trump with their grandiose building projects and wars at the drop of a hat.
So, why do we yield our power to these assholes? Especially when the U.S. was formed as the first nation “of the people, by the people, and for the people” and kings could go eff themselves.