Uncommon Sense

May 23, 2024

Christians, No One Promised You Heaven, Ever

Filed under: Culture,Religion,Uncategorized — Steve Ruis @ 8:42 am
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I have been working through some health issues, so I am now just catching up. Sorry for the flood of posts today. Steve

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Being laid up a bit, I have been binge watching one of my favorite BBC shows, The Repair Shop. Virtually every person appearing on that show, looking for a repair, seems to believe that deceased loved ones are looking down on them from above. You see, Christians developed this strange idea that when they died, they would go up to Heaven, but this is patent nonsense. Christianity grew out of Judaism. Jesus was a Jew and when he referred to scriptures, he was referring to the Hebrew Bible, the scriptures of the Jews. In those scriptures, when Jews died, they went to Sheol (look it up), not Heaven.

And, as is almost never pointed out, the New Testament was also written by Jews (Saul/Paul was a Jew, etc.). Why Jews would all of a sudden switch from millennia believing in Sheol to “all God’s chillen goes to Heaven,” is beyond me (a miracle?).

But Christians firmly believe that when they die they go to Heaven. And, Christian Mothers and Grandmothers refer to their deceased children as “little angels looking down on us.” I can almost guarantee that some angels are looking down on you. Do you know, that according to those same scriptures, there was a war in Heaven, between angels that objected to the favoritism Yahweh was showing his newer creation, human beings, and angels who were in acceptance of Yahweh’s will? I am sure there are still some angels who were on the winning side of that war, and not cast out of Heaven, who resent Humans, looking down on them for sure, for causing that schism.

So, why would angels and the gods and demi gods want a bunch of smelly human beings dirtying up a pristine Heaven? Answer: they did not.

Consider the so-called “Lord’s Prayer:”

Pray then like this: ‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.’” (gMatthew 6:9-13)

So, “our Father in Heaven” refers to God being in Heaven, his proper place, and “your Kingdom come” refers to God’s Kingdom on Earth, as “on Earth as it is in Heaven” refers to. The rest of it refers to things that should not apply in Heaven: debts, daily bread, temptations, evil?

Jesus’s message was simple:
Step 1  Repent That is confess your sins.
Step 2 Get baptized This is just a cleansing ritual to prepare you for your new life, and
Step 3 Obey God’s Commandments That is start over in life as a god-fearing person.

If all of the people in Judea at the time were to have done this, they would have ushered in a new theocracy. A country of righteous, god-fearing believers who did God’s will each and every day.

There was no promise from Jesus of elevation into Heaven when you died.

So, where did that nonsense come from?

Answer: Paul’s cult.

Paul message was “faith, not works,” all scripture to the contrary (“For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.” —Matthew 16:27, emphasis mine). “And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.” —Revelation 20:12. Of course, those were not yet written in Paul’s time, but what are God’s commandments except dictates as to how to behave, not think, and well, carrots and sticks were needed, so Heaven and Hell became the abodes of the dead, no longer Sheol, otherwise what would motivate people to follow Paul’s plan?

And, you will notice, there aren’t a lot of theologians running around trying to correct this misconception (because it supports the party line, don’t you see). In fact, they are busy supporting the idea that beloved pets will joining Christians in Heaven. So, not just smelly humans dirtying up Heaven, but smelly pets, too. Please leave some money on the collection plate on your way out. (God is all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving and al-ways in need of money. (George Carlin) So, no monay from Heaven for you!

Feed your mind, feed it!

 

14 Comments »

  1. I don’t recall ever being promised heaven. I was told, “You don’t make deals with God.”

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    Comment by silverapplequeen — May 23, 2024 @ 8:50 am | Reply

    • So sensible! We should not make deals with imaginary beings as they cannot possibly uphold their end of any such deal. (My guess from your comments about your family that this is not their reasoning.)

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — May 23, 2024 @ 9:54 am | Reply

      • This was a stock statement of my father’s. I first heard it when we were coming home from church & he was grilling us about the readings & the sermon (which he always did, to make sure we had paid attention). The gospel was Matthew 4:1-11, his temptation in the wilderness & we all spoke up about what we thought it was about ~ mostly, resisting the lure of the devil & of sin ~ the usual Catholic catechism answers. I remember this clearly ~ I was 11 at the time ~ my dad said, “No, the meaning of that passage is that you don’t make deals with god”.

        I think his meaning was that so many people pray & their prayers go like this ~ if you grant me this favor, I’ll be good, I’ll go to church every Sunday, I’ll give to charity, I’ll do this that or the other thing. & that’s not the way it works. You’re supposed to be good anyway. You’re supposed to go to church anyway. You’re supposed to give to charity anyway. Those things aren’t payment in your prayers (your wishes) being granted by God. You don’t make deals with God.

        In Gone With The Wind (the novel, not the stupid but cinematographic perfect movie), this is exactly how Scarlett prays & she stops praying because God had never lived up to his end of the bargain, so she didn’t feel like she needed to. I had to laugh when I read that. “You don’t make deals with God”.

        I wrote this line into a poem I wrote for my father on his 80th birthday. At his funeral, five years later, “You don’t make deals with God” was one of the things everyone was saying ~ he was known for that. Also “butter in is not the same as butter on”. Ask me about THAT one.

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        Comment by silverapplequeen — May 26, 2024 @ 11:46 am | Reply

  2. I think of “heaven above” as God himself, not a place. Relationship isn’t site-specific. People get all anthropomorphic about heaven, God and the bible. I’d rather not know than make stuff up.

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    Comment by Arnold — May 23, 2024 @ 1:54 pm | Reply

    • Therefore, ‘thy kingdom come’ is heaven on earth is me helping others.

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      Comment by Arnold — May 24, 2024 @ 4:27 am | Reply

  3. Religion has always been nothing but a means of control. All made up with edicts, rules, what heaven and hell are and who gets to go where. It’s all ridiculous and a weakness and excuse for not taking self responsibility and using our brains and logic.

    Having said that, if there is some god thing creator, of which I do not believe, it is abundantly obvious the this being has no real connection or caring for the very people he invented nor the planet they live on. He seems very much missing in action or long gone.
    Too bad the human inventors of god didn’t make it clearer that he may be a good god, but not an effectual one or one with the capacity or desire to get involved. Nor one with the humbleness to not judge and for god’s sake, not be so violent with a lust for killing.

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    Comment by maryplumbago — May 24, 2024 @ 9:04 am | Reply

  4. There are so many holes in their fabricated tale, it would float like a colander.

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    Comment by shelldigger — May 24, 2024 @ 6:10 pm | Reply

  5. Perfect example. I was just watching the news. Stories about death in Gaza, Ukraine and the young missionary couple in Haiti killed by gangs. And then a story comes on about one guy who got a reduced sentence for having ammunition in Turks and Cacaos and can go home and the wife blurted out “god is good.” Like they are so special that god favored them over all these other people being murdered and tortured. This line of thinking just makes me so irritated…the arrogance.

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    Comment by maryplumbago — May 24, 2024 @ 6:50 pm | Reply

  6. No one ever talks much about angels. God must have created them too, but why. Maybe he was lonely or needed heaven tidied up from time to time? They sure as anything don’t have free will. Divine slaves, no less. And, so far as heaven goes, Hitchens put it this way; if religions didn’t promise anything after death that would be the end of it. The dream of eternal life is the life blood of Islam and Christianity. GROG

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    Comment by grogalot — June 1, 2024 @ 8:26 pm | Reply

    • I think of angels as a human construct to explain the neverending workings of the universe, as does a God explain life.

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      Comment by Arnold — June 10, 2024 @ 5:45 am | Reply

      • Angels a human construct? If so they aren’t real. They are imaginary worker bees; divine slaves no less. GROG

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        Comment by grogalot — June 10, 2024 @ 6:23 am | Reply

        • Ah slavery, another model accredited to God, enacted by men.

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          Comment by Arnold — June 10, 2024 @ 6:38 am | Reply


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