I was watching a program available on Amazon Prime called Hanger 1 which refers to a storage facility in which the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) keeps its files. An episode I watched last night referred to “crashes and cover-ups,” which “exposes” governments covering up the recoveries of crashed UFOs to harvest their technology out of public scrutiny. (That hypothesis is not hard to accept.)
In any case, at one point they showed a map of the eastern hemisphere with dots indicating all of the UFO crash sites they have identified in just the 1990s and 2000s. There were over a dozen of these crash sites indicated.
At that point I sought another program to watch. (Why was I watching in the first place? Because pandemic, that’s why.)
The reason these claims defy all reason is that the claims of alien origins for UFOs is based upon the hypothesis that aliens have technology far superior to ours (anti-gravity, tractor beams, flight without inertia, etc.) which as enabled them to traverse vast distances through space to come here, to visit our planet and “do things.”
Superior technology, my ass. If it is superior, how come so many of the dammed things crash into the planet. Dozens and dozens have crashed they claim … recently!
Oh, I know, aliens are bad drivers! They are fine when the have vast amounts of empty space around them, but when they get close to a planet, they hit it, repeatedly. No, wait, it is only juvenile aliens who come here to test out their hotrodded spacecraft and, as teenagers here do too, they push those craft a little too hard and Wham! No, wait . . .
Uncommon Sense 
Be nice to meet someone from ‘outta town.’
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Comment by john zande — May 21, 2020 @ 11:53 am |
I’m of two minds. One, I am very, very curious and would love to engage an alien being. Two, is that civilizations encountering cultures with advance technology fair very, very poorly, from being subjugated to being exterminated.
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Comment by Steve Ruis — May 21, 2020 @ 1:16 pm |
Dude, Prime Directive. They’re benevolent, don’t you know?
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Comment by john zande — May 21, 2020 @ 1:38 pm |
Nga’chuq’egh!
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Comment by Steve Ruis — May 21, 2020 @ 2:04 pm |
WHY … would any being from another planet (if they existed at all) be interested in this whacked up world of homo sapiens?
Something I’ve always wondered about — if a being is looking at this planet from true “outer space,” what indications are there that this planet has living beings? You can’t even see human beings from the space station … and I would assume these “creatures” would be a bit farther out than that.
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Comment by Nan — May 21, 2020 @ 2:09 pm |
There’s more than that. Why do they repeatedly have test soil samples, mutilate cattle, check out missile silos, and abduct humans to poke and prod on them?
Jacques Vallee argues they’re not extraterrestrials because they are acting too stupid to be extraterrestrials.
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Comment by James Cross — May 21, 2020 @ 4:55 pm |
Ah, aliens work in mysterious ways, but humans, humans work for profit. The popularity of UFO and “ancient alien” programs makes money for a substantial number fo people, so they will continue, The unfortunate thing is that surveys show that these shows affect people’s beliefs. Now these may be “it had to be true, otherwise they couldn’t put it on television” people, but those people vote, too.
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Comment by Steve Ruis — May 22, 2020 @ 9:11 am |
Once upon a time I did web design work for a skeptics organization back at the dawn of the internet and all kinds of material flowed through our system and it was – interesting, shall we say? The stuff I saw going on in the UFO community pretty much cured me of any ideas I might have had about the possibility UFOs might be real aliens. About 90% of the UFO photos and films we saw were either glaringly obvious fakes, natural objects photographed under unusual situations, camera and/or film issues, etc. Of the 10% that weren’t immediately identifiable, virtually all were eventually identified, usually attributed to different aircraft or natural phenomena being photographed/filmed under less than good conditions. On top of that there was so much outright fraud it was amazing. One of the most widely known UFO promoters claimed he worked as a physicist at Area 51. He was often quoted in books, even appeared on TV a few times. Turned out he had worked there once, briefly. But not as a scientist. He was a janitor there for a few weeks. And then there were the outright loonies – oh dear lord some of the people we encountered were in serious need of mental health care.
But as H. L. Mencken supposedly said, no one ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of the American public.
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Comment by grouchyfarmer — May 21, 2020 @ 10:38 pm |
Mencken was right and that is why these programs proliferate: “There’s money in them thar shows!”
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Comment by Steve Ruis — May 22, 2020 @ 9:12 am |
To play Devil’s Advocate for a moment:
There’s something happening here
What it is ain’t exactly clear
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Comment by James Cross — May 22, 2020 @ 9:54 am |
Ack! Old farts throwing old song lyrics around! Danger, Will Robinson, danger!
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Comment by Steve Ruis — May 22, 2020 @ 11:29 am |
Make’s a lot of sense that with their technology there would not be that much crashing going on. Great post.
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Comment by Geri Lawhon — July 9, 2020 @ 9:47 am |
Extraterrestrial life exists on Venus, in the thick soupy atmosphere of that planet. That is extraterrestrial microbial life. The U.S. Navy pilots from the USS Nimitz saw 40 foot long Tic Tac shaped unidentified aerial phenomena about 60 miles off Northern Mexico over the Pacific Ocean. I assume that anything maneuvering such a vehicle in such a manner would need to be intelligent life, not microbial.
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Comment by Robert Fowler — September 16, 2020 @ 2:36 pm |
You overstate your case. The evidence is for phosphene gas in Venus atmosphere, not microbes, and even though phosphene only seems to be formed by living organisms in nature, that doesn’t preclude novel chemistry happening in that atmosphere. I will accept a living source for that emission when it is found. Also, I think the probability of life occurring elsewhere in our galaxy, even nearby, to be 100%. (The life most likely to be found is unicellular.)
My comment was largely on the sources of that information. UFOs are real, no doubt. The identification of them as being of alien manufacture is still a stretch. Many crash sites are claimed, yet we do not have the physical evidence to examine. Some claim that evidence exists, and it well might, but that governments are suppressing the evidence so as to not cause panic. The “panic argument” is always wrong. I suggest that if a government has concrete evidence of extraterrestrial life, they are withholding that information, not because it would cause panic, but because they are trying to reverse engineer the discovered technology to give that country an edge over others, militarily, or economically, or both. The “Tic Tac” UFO’s may well have been made in America, as has been suggested already. (The crash sites are more likely to be robotic and piloted by living beings.)
I will accept the existence of aliens when the physical proof is supplied. Until then I will only suggest that there is a very, very high probability it exists, but probably too far away to contact us. Of course, if some sort of “warp drive” or “worm hole transition” travel is discovered, all of that changes, but that is wildly speculative at this point.
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Comment by Steve Ruis — September 19, 2020 @ 11:10 am |
Sorry, but to me the existence of “alien life” resides in the same category as the existence of a supernatural entity that resides somewhere “out there.”
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Comment by Nan — September 19, 2020 @ 11:14 am |
The big difference is that aliens would not be supernatural, which is why I categorize them separately. They would be controlled by the laws of physics (all of which we have not discovered) and be part of “nature,” so to me they are quite different categories. I understand you position though. Both camps are often dominated by people with overactive imaginations.
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Comment by Steve Ruis — September 19, 2020 @ 11:16 am |
“…that doesn’t preclude novel chemistry happening in that atmosphere.” Novel chemistry would require an enormous stretch of the laws of Nature and boggles the imagination. At least my thinking is natural. Russian space probes could have brought earthly microorganisms from here to Venus the various times they went. That could be the real source of the life.
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Comment by Robert Fowler — September 19, 2020 @ 11:28 am |
How many experiments do you think have been done on a mixture of gases such as exist on Venus under the conditions that exist there, huge UV irradiation and probably lightning as well?
I would venture that almost none have been done and that the chance of novel chemistry being involved, I would be shocked if there were none.
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Comment by Steve Ruis — September 19, 2020 @ 11:41 am |
Fine, but not “novel chemistry”. Carbon and Oxygen and Nitrogen and Hydrogen. It is the same building blocks. The mechanics of life in China and on the Moon is the same in Honduras. And the same on Venus. Occam‘s razor says to keep it simple.
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Comment by Robert Fowler — September 19, 2020 @ 11:47 am |
You presume that the life we find having evolved to environments far from what is in China and Honduras (the same btw) would be the same as here on Earth. Life is shaped by our environment and we, in turn, help shape our environment. The environment affects the kind of life that exists. And do realize that 99+% of all earthly species are extinct in that they couldn’t adapt to changes in the environment. And the creation of phosphine from phosphorus, hydrogen, and UV or electric discharge is fully possible. It isn’t exactly DNA level complexity. That we haven’t observed this on Earth may simply be a matter of other products being available under the circumstances and myriad other reactants available to react with reaction intermediates. The prevalence of oxygen in our atmosphere almost completely precludes this as phosphine is pyrophoric.
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Comment by Steve Ruis — September 19, 2020 @ 12:09 pm |
“Phosphine has also been detected in the temperate zone of Venus’ atmosphere (approximately 50 km (31 mi) altitude) at 20 ppb, a concentration which is not possible with known chemical processes. Venus lacks the high temperatures and pressures to form phosphine the way gas giants such as Jupiter do; thus another explanation for its presence is required.[17] It is not expected that phosphine would persist in the Venusian atmosphere, since being subject to ultraviolet radiation, it would eventually be consumed by water and carbon dioxide; thus it would have to be replenished. The paper announcing the discovery suggests that the phosphine “could originate from unknown photochemistry or geochemistry, or, by analogy with biological production of PH3 on Earth, from the presence of life”.[16][17][18] For this reason phosphine has been proposed to be a usable biosignature for astrobiology. PH3 is associated with anaerobic ecosystems on Earth, which may be indicative of life on anoxic exoplanets. As of 2020, no known abiotic process generates phosphine gas on terrestrial planets in appreciable quantities, so detectable amounts of phosphine could indicate life.”
Greaves, J.S.; Richards A.M. S.; Bains W. et. al. (2020) “Phosphine gas in the cloud decks of Venus” Nature Astronomy.
Sousa-Silva, Clara et al. (11 October 2019) “Phosphine as a Biosignature in Exoplanet Atmospheres” Astrobiology
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Comment by Robert Fowler — September 19, 2020 @ 1:09 pm |
Exactly. The article I read reinforced this “could” statement and also referred to “novel chemistry.” Do realize that the oxygen content of our atmosphere precludes any phosphine creating chemistry in our atmosphere.
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Comment by Steve Ruis — September 21, 2020 @ 12:54 pm |
No proof that what the pilots saw wasn’t just a fluke of the atmosphere. Yes, they are “trained” to be objective, but …
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Comment by Nan — September 19, 2020 @ 11:10 am |
Some of these were tracked on radar which rules out such effects. I think there is no doubt that unidentified flying objects are real. How to interpret them is quite up in the air.
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Comment by Steve Ruis — September 19, 2020 @ 11:14 am |
You are the first to suggest that the Tic Tacs were atmospheric anomalies. The pilot described forty foot long vehicles hovering over something the size of a jumbo jet under the water making a disturbance on the surface. Go ahead, flesh out your atmospheric anomaly to include a jumbo jet under the water.
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Comment by Robert Fowler — September 19, 2020 @ 11:19 am |
I am a BIG fan of sci-fi movies that involve space travel and associated experiences (just recently watch “Away”). Nevertheless, for me, the size and vastness of this universe precludes the belief of any kind of “aliens” stopping by for a look-see. To each his own.
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Comment by Nan — September 19, 2020 @ 11:27 am |
You and I agree. If any of those “UFO crash sites” are real, they are probably robotic.
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