Uncommon Sense

July 5, 2019

Patriotism 101: Were the Pilgrims Seeking Religious Freedom?

As school children, we were taught that the Pilgrims came to these shores at Plymouth Rock, seeking religious freedom. Is this true? Actually, it is not true, per se. Again, this is a form of soft propaganda. Americans tend to pump the “freedom” aspect whether it is valid or not.

The Pilgrims were a persecuted religious sect in England. In fact, virtually all religious sects in England were persecuted as the kingship of that country changed based upon wars, etc. When the Kings/Queens were Catholic, the Protestants were heretics. When the King/Queen was a Protestant, the Catholics were heretics. This is what you get when the king is also the head of the state church. This is why the drafters of the constitution built a wall between church and state and built a country based upon laws and not royal whims.

Back to the Pilgrims.

Many Pilgrims fled English persecution to . . . Amsterdam. The Dutch had created a haven of religious tolerance in their country. The Pilgrims were tolerated, were not persecuted, and stayed there for some years. But then, some of these Dutch Pilgrims fled The Netherlands to America. The question is why? It wasn’t because they were fleeing religious persecution. In their own words they wanted to escape having to live and work rubbing elbows with all of the non-Pilgrims in their adopted country.

When they arrived here, what kind of society did they build? They built a theocracy that was stern and unforgiving. In other words, they became the religious persecutors. There were laws based upon theological issues. Blasphemy was punishable by death. Not going to church got you put into the stocks.

So, the Pilgrims did not come to the “New World” to acquire religious tolerance, certainly not religious freedom, unless you believe that religious freedom is the freedom of one religion to repress all of the others.

If I may quote from The Founding Myth by Andrew L. Seidel (p. 106):
“The Puritans and the Pilgrims wanted—and got—Christian nations. They established pure theocracies: strongly religious governments able to stamp out heresy, execute schismatics, and banish all but the meekest. Few settlers wanted to permanently join this harsh monoculture after experiencing it. One of the pillars of the Dutch settlement at New Amsterdam (later to become New York when the English took over SR), a young lawyer named Adriaen van der Donck, wrote about an English refugee, a clergyman, who “came to New England at the commencement of the troubles in England, in order to escape them, and found that he had got out of the frying pan and into the fire. He betook himself, in consequence, under the protection of the Netherlanders, in order that he may, according to the Dutch reformation, enjoy freedom of conscience, which he unexpectedly missed in New England.”

“The Puritans imposed the death penalty for worshipping other gods, blasphemy, homosexuality, and adultery. It is out of this society and this mindset that the terrible idea of a Christian nation founded on Christian principles lodged itself in the American psyche. And it is this intolerant legacy that must be abandoned. That is what a Christian government looks like: exclusive, exclusionary, divisive, hateful, severe, and lethal. It resembles modern theocracies in the Middle East. The insufferable Puritan theocracy declined after King Charles II revoked the colonial charter and passed the Toleration Act of 1689.”

So, America was the “Land of Opportunity” the “opportunity to do what” was left blank.

And I would be remiss if I didn’t add the following quote from that same book to address what the “bringing of Christian civilization” to the heathens in the New World looked like:
“The Puritans also waged a holy war on the Pequots, setting fire to a village on the Mystic River, killing 700 Native men, women, and children. The survivors were sold into slavery. The genocide was like something out of the Book of Joshua. And indeed, the Puritans saw it that way. They saw themselves as instruments of their god’s holy will: ‘Such a dreadful Terror did the ALMIGHTY let fall upon [the Natives’] Spirits, that they would fly from us and run into the very Flames, where many of them perished.” According to John Mason, the Puritan militia commander, his god laughed while he murdered: “But GOD was above them, who laughed his Enemies and the Enemies of his People to Scorn, making them as a fiery Oven…. Thus did the LORD judge among the Heathen, filling the Place with dead Bodies!”’

Followup–Same Point, Different Spin https://www.christianity.com/church/church-history/why-the-pilgrims-really-came-to-america-hint-it-wasn-t-religious-freedom.html

22 Comments »

  1. It was in Massachusetts … in the 1970’s … that I learned that the Pilgrims came to the New World after being kicked out of every other place they tried to settle. Being kicked out of the permissive Netherlands really says what kind of jerks they really were.

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    Comment by silverapplequeen — July 5, 2019 @ 8:51 am | Reply

  2. Reblogged this on A Tale Unfolds and commented:
    What Christianity is really like. Rotten to the core.
    Excellent post by Steve Ruis.

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    Comment by Arkenaten — July 5, 2019 @ 9:11 am | Reply

  3. Indeed, the Pilgrims were an intolerant lot of fundamentalists. They exchanged one tyrannical government for another. Fortunately for the world, the oppressors didn’t prevail. By the time the colonials were ready to sever ties with England, the thinking had shifted to the point where they were creating documents that said stuff like:

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness…”

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    Comment by John Branyan — July 5, 2019 @ 9:52 am | Reply

    • Jefferson’s original draft of the Declaration did not include the phrase “by their Creator” as they did not want the rights they described to be endowed by anything other than mutual agreement. They saw all to well that the rights of Englishmen varied at the whim of royais and churchmen and wanted none of that. This grand experiment in self-governance has other perils but have our rights re-interpreted by clerics or Kings/queens isn’t one of them.

      The Declaration even included the right of the draftsman to capitalize whatever the hell he felt like (no one has been able to figure out what guide caused this pattern of capitals, it seems almost random).

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — July 5, 2019 @ 10:17 am | Reply

    • @JB
      Not being fully up to speed with US History, was this before or after the genocide of the Native Americans?

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      Comment by Arkenaten — July 5, 2019 @ 11:35 am | Reply

  4. Excellent post.
    So few are aware of the religious and political propaganda that has been fed to the citizens

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    Comment by maryplumbago — July 5, 2019 @ 10:48 am | Reply

  5. This was at the beginning. The genocide continued into the twentieth century.

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    Comment by Steve Ruis — July 5, 2019 @ 1:08 pm | Reply

  6. I agree. They came here for ‘religious freedom” but only for themselves. People forget that part. anyone else was ushered straight out of town, sometime with tar and feathers attached. Jews were required to wear a star (probably so they could be kicked out of town faster) and Catholics and Gypsies fared little better.
    And even as late as the early 18th century strangers traveling through any region did well to carry letters of endorsement on themselves, to prove who they were and where they were going.

    We earned our suspicious nature well, I guess. Frankly the Puritans and Pilgrims alike sound most unpleasant, and truly make the stern sects of today look like Welcome Wagons.

    I suspect the genocide of native americans ended when they ran out of victims.

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    Comment by judyt54 — July 5, 2019 @ 1:29 pm | Reply

    • Too true. My home state, California, used the cover of the gold rush to finish the job. It is to my everlasting sorrow that this was done out on the open with newspaper stories and calls to organize roving bands of killers. When I finally got around to watching Ken Burns’ 1996 “The West” it took me about ten tries to get through it. Each try left like I had to make a running start. I felt I had an obligation to see what we really had done and take whatever ownership I incurred from that horror. And it is still playing out!

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — July 5, 2019 @ 1:45 pm | Reply

  7. Hey! I have an idea!
    Y’all should organize yourselves and pay reparations to the Native Americans. Figure out what rightfully belongs to them and give it back! Dismantle whatever systems are still left over from those horrible Pilgrims and set things right. I’ll help. Let me know when you’ve got a plan.

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    Comment by John Branyan — July 5, 2019 @ 2:44 pm | Reply

    • Valid ‘social justicely minded’ comment.

      And here in NZ we can do the same, and reset the Maoris to popping each other off all over the place while eating their long-pork. In Africa they might clear away all trace of the God-damned white influences and go back to assegai diplomacy—them Zulu chaps were almost as impressive as the ancient Spartans.

      There’s only one true form of justice, no? “Might makes Right” (and God is ever on the side of the big battalions). How many Jews involved in their beloved Holocaust? (Serves ’em right for forsaking Christ!)

      Brrrr …

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      Comment by Argus — July 5, 2019 @ 4:08 pm | Reply

      • Here here! A global revolution!

        Let’s undo everything that has ever happened throughout history. Secular ethics demands it.

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        Comment by John Branyan — July 5, 2019 @ 4:14 pm | Reply

    • For a Christian you are despicable, Branyon, but somewhat typical of your ”brand.”
      But as a human being you are simply a revolting, arrogant fuck.
      When you cease to ”steal” oxygen from those more deserving there won’t be many who will bad an eyelid.

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      Comment by Arkenaten — July 6, 2019 @ 2:43 am | Reply

    • JB’s not about to let go of the founding myths of either America or Christianity any time soon, not when his very identity is bound up with those myths.

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      Comment by chris schilling — July 6, 2019 @ 5:20 am | Reply

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  9. I read an interesting book a couple of years ago which mentioned the Pilgrims in Holland. It seems their greatest fear was assimilation. Their children quickly and easily blended in with the locals, picked up the language and culture and this made the Pilgrims livid. They wanted to preserve their psycho-social identity in a rather obsessive way.

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    Comment by The Pink Agendist — July 6, 2019 @ 4:53 pm | Reply

    • There is a positive role for hewing to tradition, aka the ways we have always done things, but also a downside. There was a group of Prussians (Germans) who move to Russia for 100 years to escape oppression, then migrated to the U.S. along with a great many other Germans. In the US, one could not tell the difference between the two “sources” of German immigrants. The ones who took to Russia took with them, their language, their culture, their arts, their crafts, etc. We are a tenacious people, who look at change as something to be avoided at any cost.

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — July 7, 2019 @ 7:50 am | Reply

  10. Super topic sir. Those Pilgrims sure were very, very grim indeed. Thanks for posting this one.

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    Comment by Walter Kronkat — July 6, 2019 @ 8:54 pm | Reply

  11. One mans religious freedom is another mans oppression.

    Why this is invisible to the oppressors is a curious phenomenon. So many people are unqualified to wield any sort of power.

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    Comment by shelldigger — July 7, 2019 @ 7:15 am | Reply

    • There are many people I have met who do not seek power and wouldn’t want it if given it. And I have known the exact opposite. I define power loosely as “the ability to act.” I had a colleague who insisted that you didn’t have power unless you acted, that is “used it.”. Him I would not want to have in charge of much of anything.

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — July 7, 2019 @ 7:53 am | Reply

      • Lol! The ones who want it most ought not get it I fear.

        The wise fear it. The worst among us crave it. (think tRump, or every other petty dictator imaginable, even those from local law enforcemet/border patrol/and politics)

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        Comment by shelldigger — July 7, 2019 @ 4:09 pm | Reply

        • So true!

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          Comment by Steve Ruis — July 8, 2019 @ 1:02 pm | Reply


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