Uncommon Sense

December 17, 2020

An Open Letter to the Many Flat Earthers Now in Existence

Filed under: Culture,Reason,Science — Steve Ruis @ 1:21 pm

Dear Flat Earthers,
Many people have been derogatory of your belief that the Earth is flat. Please note that they are belittling your belief, not you per se. You, personally, are an idiot, but that is probably not your fault.

Here are any number of accessible approaches for discovering the shape of our beloved planet. Enjoy!

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Use Your Phone!
On Christmas Day, here in Chicago, I expect there to be snow on the ground because, well, it is winter. On Christmas Day I can pick up my phone and dial up anyone in Australia and ask them “What season is it?” They will tell you that it is summer in Australia. You might want to ask your flat Earth mentors how it could be winter and summer simultaneously on a flat Earth.

Use Your Phone!
Go to a globe and pick a spot half way around the Earth (I know it is a false representation in your belief, but humor me.) In the middle of the day, phone somebody at or near that spot. Call a hotel, they are always open. Ask whoever responds “Is it light or dark outside?” They will tell you that it is dark where they are. You might want to ask your flat Earth mentors how it could be light and dark simultaneously on a flat Earth.

Look Up What Local Time Was
In the US there was this concept of “local time” which was that “noon” was when the sun was at its highest point in its arc. You could call up people on the telephone who were not that far away and ask them what time it was and they would tell you something different from what your clock was telling you. The farther away they were, the greater the difference would be. On a flat Earth the time would be the same everywhere.

Look Up What Time Zones Are
I am writing this in the central time zone in the U.S. These zones were created at the behest of the railroad industry whose dispatchers were going crazy making up schedules for trains when every place had their own times. By creating these “zones” everything would be exactly one hour off from those in neighboring zones, two hours off for the next over zones, and so on. If you don’t believe me . .  pick up your phone and dial up a friend who lives a considerable distance (east-west) away from you and ask them what time it is. The time they state will be a whole number of hours away from your time. Heck, even the NFL knows this. When I lived on the left coast, the games started at 10 AM and 1 PM. Now that I live in the central time zone, the games start at 12 Noon and 3 PM. Over New York way the games start at 1PM and 4 PM. Do you think those games are replayed in one hour increments? Nope, time zones!. You might want to ask your flat earth mentors how it could be that simultaneous games start at different times on a flat Earth.

Watch the Video
Astronauts in the International Space Station (ISS) have made continuous videos of an entire orbit of the Earth. It takes only about an hour and a half about the length of a typical Hollywood movie. During the whole movie the earth appears round, and yet it is clear that different continents are passing in our view.

Now you may argue that NASA made this movie as propaganda for the Round Earth Conspiracy. It is certainly within our CGI abilities at this point, but you may want to ask why NASA would want to do such a thing? Plus, many astronauts have taken their own cameras aboard and taken pictures for themselves and they show the same thing. How could the Round Earth Conspiracy have allowed that to happen? It must be incompetence! Conspiracies aren’t what they used to be!

Da Balloon, Boss, Da Balloon
Many amateurs, unaffiliated with the government, have launched rockets and balloons high up into the atmosphere to take pictures. Every damned one of those pictures shows that the Earth is round. How come all of those cameras ended up pointed at the curved edge of your round and flat disk Earth? Such a coincidence!

An Oldie But Goodie #1
Occasionally, during a lunar eclipse, you can see the shadow of the earth falling upon the Moon. The shadow is always circular. This would be true if the flat earth were always dead on to the Moon, but the Moon orbits the Earth and wouldn’t a flat Earth be edgewise, often as not, and wouldn’t that create a non-round shadow on the Moon? Inquiring minds want to know.

An Oldie But Goodie #2
It was claimed that one of the first demonstrations of the earth being round was the observation of ships sailing west from Europe/England could be observed for a while but the ship itself was lost to sight while the mast was still visible. This would not happen on a flat Earth. The whole ship would just get smaller and smaller as it sailed west.

For pity’s sake, I live 22 stories up and the shores of Lake Michigan and I cannot see anything directly opposite me in Michigan. All I can see is water, with any kind of magnification I can muster. And I am not looking across the widest part of this lake! If the earth were flat, the lake would be flat and I could see the Michigan shore.

And Finally . . .

All of the fricking satellites! Do the math. What kind of orbit is stable around a flat disk earth? Answer none! And there are hundreds of the danged things in orbit. Well, maybe a circular orbit above the edge, but that would eliminate all communication satellites, GPS, cell phone, etc.

Also, just for giggles. Look up what a Foucault pendulum is, And explain its behavior based upon a flat Earth.

PS You may be getting good vibes in your special knowledge that you know something other people do not. However, would not that special feeling be more worthwhile were you to volunteer at a food bank or a day care center or senior center? Wouldn’t doing something worthwhile be more rewarding that making a statement about how those pointy-headed intellectuals aren’t so smart?

PPS I have seen the cute models with the Sun and Moon on sticks rotating around (see photo above). If that were the case, everyone could see the Sun and Moon all day, every day. (There is straight line access to both objects in that model from everywhere on the flat disk.) Do you see the Sun and Moon all day, every day? No? Maybe someone who had more creativity than knowledge came up with those models. They do sell well, I must admit, so maybe their interest is commercial.

PPPS Regarding the 200 foot wall of ice that supposedly exists at the “edge of the disk,” supposedly so all the water doesn’t flow off and be lost into space. By now don’t you think someone would have sailed next to that wall all of the way? That distance would be somewhere in the neighborhood of a 28,000 mile trip. Has anyone ever report such a thing? Hmm, I wonder why not.


  1. Ark should repost this for his flat-earth visitor(s). Of course, “he”/they will deny-deny-deny and provide (offer) reasons why each point is incorrect. Just like the religious, their mind has a trap door that is only open seconds at a time to test the (flood) waters.

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    Comment by Nan — December 17, 2020 @ 3:03 pm | Reply

  2. PLEASE submit this to your local daily newspaper!

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    Comment by john zande — December 17, 2020 @ 4:36 pm | Reply

  3. I’m trying to figure out the evolutionary purpose for stupidity

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    Comment by maryplumbago — December 17, 2020 @ 5:50 pm | Reply

    • Maybe it is associated with genes that are polluting the gene pool. Kind of like the Darwin Award, these people do things that remove them from the gene pool.

      Apparently, of late we have been over protective of those who need culling.

      On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 5:50 PM Class Warfare Blog wrote:



      Comment by Steve Ruis — December 24, 2020 @ 1:07 pm | Reply

  4. When I worked with a skeptics group decades ago we went through the hysteria of the crop circle nonsense. There was one case in England at the time that was such an obvious hoax it was ridiculous. We had the guys who did it, we had video they made themselves of doing it, had the tools (remarkably simple, a few sticks, some rope, some basic planning and a guy on a hill guiding them) and the true believers *still* claimed it was aliens or pixies or whatever. Sigh. All of the evidence, even we ourselves, were all part of this grand conspiracy to cover up the real cause. When I was working with that group I started to find out the hard way that there are many, many mentally ill people out there. Even worse, there are many people out there more than willing to take advantage of the mentally ill in order to make money, get attention, etc.

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    Comment by grouchyfarmer — December 17, 2020 @ 10:24 pm | Reply

  5. Flat earthers? Hahahahahahahahahaha! Oh whew, hahahahahaha!

    There is a place for stupid, in fact there is so much stupid it can’t be contained within one wee category. There is just so much of it! Flat earthers, ancient astronaut theorists, religion, Q-anon, Faux News, Newsmax, R party, anti vaxxers, anti maskers, bigfoot hunters, ghost hunters, reality tv anything, election fraudsters, the current White House, the interstate, UFO’s, deep state conspiracies, evolution deniers, climate change deniers, gravity deniers, science deniers, NRA assholes, Anti gay, anti bi, anti trans, anti human rights, racists, xenophobes, misogynists, healing crystal believers, essential oilers, Gwyneth Paltrow customers, woo believers of all stripes, Loch Ness monster believers, magic believers, pyramid powers, people who believe man was unable to build the pyramids or other ancient structures without alien help, soccer (yeah, I said it!*,) insert local legend here:_____ , dowsing, anyone who think the Jets still have a shot at the playoffs…

    I could go on, but I think you get my drift. Stupid is as universal as the universe. And just as vast. Hell of it is, you can sometimes find almost all of those I listed in the same person!

    * Lighten up! It was a joke 😉

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    Comment by shelldigger — December 21, 2020 @ 6:38 pm | Reply

    • Yes … but there are so many of them. And they are walking around thinking that their opinion is as good as anyone else’s facts.

      On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 6:38 PM Class Warfare Blog wrote:


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      Comment by Steve Ruis — December 21, 2020 @ 9:50 pm | Reply

      • HA! I like that comparison!!


        Comment by Nan — December 22, 2020 @ 1:55 pm | Reply

      • Hence the state of our union. And the state of much of the rest of the world as well.

        The morons vote.

        We are well and truly fucked as a species.

        Pardon me for a minute, I need to go burn some tires in the driveway, and dump the septic tank contents upstream of the city water intake. Then I’m going to alter my redneck from hell, diesel pickup truck, so it can roll coal baby! Yeee Hawww! If I have any time left in the day I’ll spend it on Breitbart, learning my redneck dumbass facts of the day! 😉

        We having fun yet? These are my Tennessee neighbors… This may or may not be a cry for help!

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        Comment by shelldigger — December 22, 2020 @ 8:52 pm | Reply

        • I will be posting tomorrow on how we got to “here.” It may answer your question.

          On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 8:52 PM Class Warfare Blog wrote:



          Comment by Steve Ruis — December 22, 2020 @ 9:51 pm | Reply

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