Uncommon Sense

August 27, 2020

Assembling God

Filed under: Culture,History,Reason,Religion — Steve Ruis @ 10:54 am
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The god of Christianity, Yahweh/Jesus/Holy Ghost didn’t show up in scripture fully formed. His powers kind of grew like Topsy, created on the fly by ordinary human beings.

Some of these are logical consequences and some are hidden presumptions. For example, claiming that this god is all-knowing means that in order to “recall” any fact from his memory, he only needs to recall the past or future action. This requires this god to have one hell of a memory, but is not unthinkable. But there are inherent problems associated with claiming this power for this god. Here is a typical question on Quora asking about this consequence. “If God knows my whole life from beginning to end, did he imagine me before he created me? If he imagined all the things I will say and do, is it him being me doing these things? I imagine people doing whatever but it’s not them doing what they do.” Basically this question is asking that if this god knows everything I am going to do, do I have free will? The straightforward answer is an obvious “no” and the consequence is we should not be held accountable for our actions because we were programmed by god to do those things. I will leave it to you to unpack these arguments because they have been around for almost all of human history.

Other consequences are somewhat loaded with creator responsibility. (Not Creator responsibility, but creator responsibility.) We claim that this god hears our prayers and may act upon them right away. We also claim that this god is omnipresent, that he is always observing you and listening to you speak. Is this really necessary? It involves a human foible, that of someone needing to be within “ear shot” to witness what you say . . . and within “line of sight” to see what you do. Is this necessary of this particular god? Absolutely not. If he is all-knowing, he already knows all that you have said and will say and do. He doesn’t need to be “there” to witness your prayer or your actions. He doesn’t even need to show up to perform the miracle you are praying for. He can do anything remotely, plus the fact that he has tens of thousands of angels on the payroll, most of the time sitting around eating his food and drinking his wine, the lazy bastards can be sent to do some work for once. And, since the all-knowing god already knows, he can schedule this angel to do that task, months, years, or millennia ahead of time to avoid any time pressure.

So, being omnipresent is a useless power for such a god. It is only there because of human assumptions about how humans behave, not gods. And this is not the only example of a god’s powers being woven out of thin air, cut from whole cloth, etc.

Consider why Yahweh/Jesus/Holy Ghost has “messengers” or “helpers.” So, why?

Basically this is because they were created in the previous tradition, by the creators ofYahweh, and Jesus was “the Son,” so they had to be kept in Christianity. The baggage, of course, involves devils, demons, and a whole zoo of other supernatural beings in attendance on this god.

But are they needed? You’ve probably heard this argument before. This god has demonstrated the ability to think things into existence (whole galaxies, etc.) and communicate across vast distances. So, does he need “helpers” of any kind? The answer is “no.” In fact assigning a task to an angel (or cherubim, or . . .) takes as much effort or more that doing it himself, just by thinking whatever he wants into existence.

Some claim that these beings are there for purposes of companionship. Companionship is something people need, by does this god? The answer is no. This god is claimed to be perfect, whole, and needing of nothing.

But then . . . this is the god who punished Lucifer for the sin of pride and who created an entire species of sentient beings … to worship him. Remember the speck in your brother’s eye and the beam in yours story. Yeah, like that.

 

9 Comments »

  1. Spot on.
    However ….Enter Christian Apologist stage left: ”Obviously you have a gross misunderstanding of how Christianity works. And you probably hate God as well.”

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    Comment by Arkenaten — August 27, 2020 @ 11:35 am | Reply

    • You gotta love Chrsitian apologists. They are models of consistency and uniformity. They use arguments the same way they have been used for millennia and for the same reasons. They say we “hate god” even though we are totally not convinced such an entity exists. But that comment is not for us, it is for the audience off stage. They keep painting us with that brush, not to convert us, but to discredit us with the people sitting in the pews. The message is “You do not want to listen to those folks, they hate God.” And eat babies and promote homosexuality and … whatever.

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — August 27, 2020 @ 11:54 am | Reply

  2. Of course when one points out the logical fallacies in christian theology the apologists generally trot out the aged, decrepit claim that ‘man cannot understand the mind of god’ argument as the ultimate work around. My reply to that is generally something like “Excuse me? You write millions of words, preach endless sermons, all of which claim that you *DO* understand the mind of god and that you can tell me exactly what the deity wants me to do. You can’t have it both ways. If you can’t understand the mind of god, stop pretending you can.”

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    Comment by grouchyfarmer — August 27, 2020 @ 10:30 pm | Reply

    • They want it both ways, actually any way they want, when they want. I think the iNternet may doom such hijinks because the refutations will be so readily available … unless we become so polarized that we only interact with likeminded people.

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — August 29, 2020 @ 11:23 am | Reply

  3. So very true Steve, doesn’t it appear pathetic when these Christian fanatics spew their hate in their Gods name over LGBT, same sex marriage, abortion and atheists etcetera when you look at the massive picture of what they claim this most fantastic super God is capable of.

    Considering he knew already that atheists were going to slowly catch up and outnumber Christians along with thousands of other religions the numbers will eventually dwarf Christianity proves it is either nothing but a pure creationism f___k up by God (but that is supposed to be impossible) or he does not give a toss about what happens on Earth any more, evidenced by the latest US President.

    The rapture is coming to save the world, but again the sensible thought and logical deduction is completely missing, as it always is with Christian issues when indoctrinated nuts get together.

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    Comment by sklyjd — August 29, 2020 @ 6:19 am | Reply

    • “When indoctrinated nuts get together” … sounds like a book title!

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — August 29, 2020 @ 7:37 am | Reply

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