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June 4, 2020

It is Time for Intelligent Design Advocates to Pony Up

Filed under: Reason,Science — Steve Ruis @ 12:58 pm
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Let’s stop fooling around and take the ID advocates seriously. I have a series of questions I want the IDers to answer, so I can fully appreciate their theory.

  1. First, I would love to hear anyone supply a clear outline of ID theory, the complete theory. All I hear is arguments about design and complexity, but there are few other processes needed to make ID Theory complete.
  2. So, let’s say an Intelligent Designer exists and comes up with an intelligent design. That design is still “on the drawing board” as it were. How does this design get implemented?
  3. What are the processes by which the design is put “into production?”
  4. And who the heck is this intelligent designer, inquiring minds want to know? Are vastly superior aliens messing with us?
  5. How often are designs implemented?
  6. When did these design implementations first happen in the past and are they likely to continue into the future?
  7. If the Intelligent Designer just implemented his designs during a tiny window in time in the past, why did he limit himself so? How could he possibly know that other designs might not be needed (maybe advanced human fighters would be needed to fight aliens invading from outer space, for instance)? I mean how could this incredible designer know what will be needed millennia into the future?
  8. Provide a few dozen examples of designs and why they were needed to be the way they are to make the world work as it does. Please include a couple of virulent disease organisms, like the COVID-19 virus, on your list as that would be quite relevant at this time. Surely these are available if you have been studying this for decades as you insist.

C’mon now, fill out your “theory,” otherwise you are just whining about whether this or that was deliberately designed or not and not promoting an actual theory.

21 Comments »

  1. Excellent questions, Steve.

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    Comment by gfbrandenburg — June 4, 2020 @ 1:45 pm | Reply

  2. Excellent questions, Steve.

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    Comment by gfbrandenburg — June 4, 2020 @ 1:45 pm | Reply

    • High praise coming from the praise worthy! Thank you, thank you :o)

      On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 1:46 PM Class Warfare Blog wrote:

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — June 4, 2020 @ 1:51 pm | Reply

  3. Goddidit is the answer to everything.

    Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

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    Comment by john zande — June 4, 2020 @ 2:07 pm | Reply

    • you did a TED talk?

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      Comment by Arkenaten — June 4, 2020 @ 4:30 pm | Reply

      • Haven’t you?

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        Comment by john zande — June 4, 2020 @ 5:31 pm | Reply

        • Er …. moi?
          I don’t even know someone called Ted.
          So, what was your talk about?

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          Comment by Arkenaten — June 4, 2020 @ 5:58 pm | Reply

          • Goddidit is the answer to everything.

            It was a very short presentation 😉

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            Comment by john zande — June 4, 2020 @ 6:25 pm | Reply

            • So, about $1000 per question? (You have to pay to give a Ted Talk, don’t you know.)

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              Comment by Steve Ruis — June 5, 2020 @ 8:06 am | Reply

              • Really? So it’s just a kind of paid channel? I didn’t know that.

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                Comment by john zande — June 5, 2020 @ 8:55 am | Reply

                • When I was young … scientific papers were published for free and now they must be accompanied with a check. When I was young, speakers were paid a stipend or speaking fee and didn’t “pay to play” as it were. On TED, the speakers pony up and the live attenders pony up and the YouTube videos are free … so far. This is a model that sells marketing of people and their ideas, to drive the speakers reputations, book sales, paid speaking fees, etc. The audience is paying for entertainment of the intellectual sort. If they charged for the YouTube views, viewership would drop (quite a bit I believe) and so the fees they could charge would drop also, so I expect that they will remain “free” to view.

                  This is all of the top of my head and research on the TED site may show minor differences but I think that is what the situation is.

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                  Comment by Steve Ruis — June 5, 2020 @ 9:00 am | Reply

                  • Seems business models accompany everything these days. Sad, I actually thought TED was the product of some rich dude’s philanthropy. Not sure why i thought that, but that was my impression… a sort of public service, promoting smart people instead of, say, the Sydney Philharmonic.

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                    Comment by john zande — June 5, 2020 @ 9:21 am | Reply

                    • It may well be, but with a hand out at the same time. It has grown substantially since its inception with international and satellite sessions galore.

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                      Comment by Steve Ruis — June 5, 2020 @ 9:33 am

                  • I’ve only watched a few speakers, but always thought it was a way for that individual to “promote” something … themselves (as in life coach, preacher, entrepeneur) or their business (through explaining “how things work”), which in turn, would result in increased income. Guess not … 😐

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                    Comment by Nan — June 5, 2020 @ 12:36 pm | Reply

                    • Actually, guess so. How is spending money to appear on a TED Talk any different from spending money on an agent or PR specialist? So, the Talk promotes … and I suspect that people have some data that indicates that it will or won’t be worth the appearance fee. Look at how the appearance of a restaurant on a cooking show like Diners, Drive-ins and Dives works out. Restaurant owners regularly report that the day after they appeared on the show, that people were lined up around the block to get in. I think TED Talk fees are close to being chump change in the marketing biz. (I was recommended to a literary agent who would promote my books, for only $3000 per month and I am lucky to make $3000 of my books in a good year.)

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                      Comment by Steve Ruis — June 5, 2020 @ 1:43 pm

    • You just gave away the answer to all of the end of chapter questions in high school biology books! Now what are those biology teachers going to do?

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — June 5, 2020 @ 8:06 am | Reply

  4. These are the type of questions that are not asked, and certainly not likely to be answered … well not by proponents of ID.

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    Comment by Arkenaten — June 4, 2020 @ 4:34 pm | Reply

  5. Ultimately they cannot answer those questions because intelligent design is basically saying “I can’t figure this stuff out so I just give up and claim god did it”.

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    Comment by grouchyfarmer — June 4, 2020 @ 10:04 pm | Reply

    • But they don’t even posture at making a complete theory. They could sponsor researches into design implementation, biological magic, whatever, but they just do not bother. Lazy science, lazy science, non-science, nonsense … it is a slippery slope.

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — June 5, 2020 @ 8:09 am | Reply


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