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December 20, 2019

Judges, Not Jurors

Filed under: Politics — Steve Ruis @ 11:57 am

I am learning more about the impeachment trial process. One detail I was quite unaware of is the Senators who have to decide upon the impeachment charges are acting not as jurors, but more as a panel of judges.

This came up because of many comments by Republican Senators that they have made up their minds already and will be working with the White House to “coordinate” the President’s defense. That resulted in those senators being attacked as not being “impartial jurors,” hence the clarification of their status during the proceedings.

So, how would you feel if the judge in a case important to you were working behind the scenes with the prosecution (or defense) and had already made up how he was going to rule in your case?

Aren’t judges who a prejudiced (think about the roots of that word) supposed to recuse themselves?

The silver lining for Trump is that more congressmen voted for his impeachment than any other impeachment in our history. The guy just keeps breaking records. First the inauguration attendance, now this.


  1. Do not send the articles of impeachment to the senate. Let history record the depth of the Republican treason.

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    Comment by john zande — December 20, 2019 @ 3:55 pm | Reply

    • I am in favor of drawing it out for a long time. make the senate beg. First Nancy Pelosi can say that she knows how jammed up the Senate is with all of the legislation the House has sent to it and it hasn’t acted on, they need some time to take care of that business.

      Maybe she can prod them to move along a bit. But at the bare minimum, have fun with it as more and more evidence piles up and Trump has more and more tantrums.

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — December 20, 2019 @ 9:32 pm | Reply

  2. Agree. Don’t send the articles until some semblance of fairness is assured. Their performance is disgusting. It will take a true miracle to turn this around. GROG

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    Comment by grogalot — December 20, 2019 @ 4:46 pm | Reply

  3. Completely agree with you Steve.

    I remember back in the summer of 2016 when all the cowboy, redneck Republicans I was surrounded by in central Texas talked about how ‘refreshing it was to hear/watch NON-traditional federal politics being mocked, trashed, turned upside down’ because tRump wasn’t going to do ANYTHING, EVER that was typical, established, (legal? proper?) decorum for D.C. governing OR in foreign affairs! tRump was going to wheel and deal like the Wild Wild West, never apologizing for cramming it in Capitol Hill’s and all Liberal’s faces. And the ultra-Conservatives foamed at the mouth he got them so riled up in a frenzy. In the back of my mind listening to the fervor I kept asking myself Has everyone gone stark raving mad? 😲 This country has always (supposed to have) been ruled by Constitutional Law! Enter Russia on our elections.

    So as I’ve watched this White House Circus unfold—no, more like clowns and stuntmen shot out of cannons non-stop!—for these last two long, unprecedented, embarrassing years for the U.S., I am beyond astounded how party-lines and politics, since at least Ronald Reagan, have seized and trumped (no pun intended in the least!) the rule of Law and our Constitution! Yes, gone (for now) are the days when ALL men are treated equal under the Law, especially including ALL our government officials right up to the President. THAT is how a Constitutional democracy operates. Just ask Richard Nixon.

    Yet, these last two years tRump has surpassed anything Nixon ever illegally committed under our rule of Law in flying colors! While this has gone on we have seating Senators (and a few House Reps too) that have and are blatantly ignoring our Constitutional laws and bylaws, and not to mention their sworn vows into office to uphold that Constitution!

    Unprecedented! UNBELIEVABLY UNPRECEDENTED! And since I’ve watched what Reagan’s Administration got away with (Iran-Contra), then George W. Bush’s with the invasion of Iraq, I have little confidence in any remaining dignified, honorable Senators to treat EVERYONE the same under the Law, even their President. It makes me ashamed right now to call myself an American to any foreigners. 😞

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    Comment by Professor Taboo — December 20, 2019 @ 6:01 pm | Reply

  4. I can’t even watch McConnell speak without feeling repulsed. Ole Moscow Mitch has acted the role of the perfidious scoundrel to perfection . In a different time a Congressperson would have walked up to him on national television and give him the immortal words of Nathan Bedford Forrest.
    “I have stood your meanness as long as I intend to. You have played the part of a damned scoundrel, and are a coward, and if you were any part of a man I would slap your jaws and force you to resent it. You may as well not issue any more orders to me, for I will not obey them, and I will hold you personally responsible for any further indignities you endeavor to inflict upon me. You have threatened to arrest me for not obeying your orders promptly. I dare you to do it, and I say to you that if you ever again try to interfere with me or cross my path it will be at the peril of your life.” General Forrest to General Braxton Bragg. Now that would be wonderful.

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    Comment by Formerly Holding The Line In Florida — December 21, 2019 @ 7:53 am | Reply

    • I had not heard that quote before and it needs to be part of military officer training.

      I wonder what Mr. McConnell thinks his “legacy” is going to be. I suspect “not good” as he has put party before country over and over and over.

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — December 21, 2019 @ 9:29 am | Reply

      • I don’t think he considers a legacy. He is only interested in the here and now and that is part of the problem. In my American History class we discussed how Washington viewed the Presidency and how aware he was his role in setting standards. This is something that our current “leaders seem to have forgotten.

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        Comment by Formerly Holding The Line In Florida — December 21, 2019 @ 10:49 am | Reply

        • We need a court jester who is allow to mock and even “bitch slap” our presidents when they get out of line. Can you imagine Mr. Trump slinking around the White House trying to avoid any contact with the Court Jester?

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          Comment by Steve Ruis — December 21, 2019 @ 11:19 am | Reply

          • I think Trump is trying to play the Court Jester’s part – otherwise, why does he keep insisting that this or that offensive or idiotic thing he said was supposed to be a joke?


            Comment by List of X — December 25, 2019 @ 8:34 pm | Reply

            • He seems to say the first thing that comes to his mind … and that is terrifying because of the low quality of his thoughts alone.

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              Comment by Steve Ruis — December 26, 2019 @ 11:12 am | Reply

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