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August 8, 2019

Acting Like Animals

Filed under: Culture,Religion — Steve Ruis @ 11:23 am
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I am always fascinated by the thinking of fundamentalists. Their arguments seem to consist merely of connections between epithets, for example . . . atheists . . . yada, yada, yada, . . . immoral.

I was reading a post on Religion Dispatches that included this lovely factoid:

. . . there is a tract called “Killer Kids” produced by Liberty Baptist Church of Greenville, Michigan. A copy happened to be placed on my car windshield some years back when I was living in Tampa, Florida. The tract asserts, “Killer kids are the result of God being removed from education,” and objects to the teaching of evolution, claiming that, “’If you teach children that they come from animals, then do not be surprised when they begin to act like them!’” (from Religion Dispatches, 8-8-19)

So . . . “If you teach children that they come from animals, then do not be surprised when they begin to act like them!”

Where are these people from? Apparently they have animals there which somehow acquire semiautomatic rifles and use them to mow down herds of people. Lovely spot for a vacation or honeymoon!

It is far, far better to have been created by a god who in a fit of pique, drowned around 100 million people: the elderly, babies, men, women, youths, . . . all of them. Oh, all of the plants and animals, too. (The apologists quibble and say “the air breathing animals,” but if that much fresh water were to be mixed with sea water, it would be too salty for fresh water fish, and too fresh for salt water fish and mammals, so death to them all.)

I guess their god hadn’t created automatic weapons just yet.

Addendum The figure of 100 million is far greater than apologists estimate. I simple took their claim of an 8000 year old Earth and looked for population estimates for 6000 BCE. This figure was at the middle of the estimates I found. It is not that I cannot exaggerate, I just didn’t in this case.

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  1. Many animals act far, far, far, far better than humans.

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    Comment by john zande — August 8, 2019 @ 1:10 pm | Reply

  2. The earth would be better off with just animals

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    Comment by maryplumbago — August 8, 2019 @ 1:23 pm | Reply

    • You mean no plants?! :o) (We are animals, which is the fact that escaped the person making the quote.)

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — August 9, 2019 @ 9:24 am | Reply

      • Ok I mean no humans…leave the rest of the flora and fauna in peace..

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        Comment by maryplumbago — August 9, 2019 @ 11:04 am | Reply

  3. When you teach children that anyone, theist or atheist, who thinks that “purposes” exist anywhere but in our imaginations is sadly poorly informed – they have no reason to behave differently than animals.

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    Comment by John Branyan — August 8, 2019 @ 2:27 pm | Reply

    • And your “purpose” in making this comment is … ?

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — August 9, 2019 @ 9:24 am | Reply

      • It’s truth.
        Teaching people that they have no purpose never (ever, ever, ever) leads to positive outcomes.

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        Comment by John Branyan — August 9, 2019 @ 9:38 am | Reply

        • I didn’t say that. I said that purposes are personal, made up in our own imaginations. People who insist that purposes come from outside of our own minds are in the manipulation business and I consider to be dangerous. Accepting a life purpose, from ISIS, Al Queda, or Jesus is tantamount to abusing people who are desperate for meaning in their lives. Only if they can be shown how to create their own purpose can they arrive at the truth.

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          Comment by Steve Ruis — August 9, 2019 @ 9:42 am | Reply

          • “Accepting a life purpose, from ISIS, Al Queda, or Jesus is tantamount to abusing people who are desperate for meaning in their lives.”

            Oh.
            But accepting a life’s purpose from Steve Ruis is how I arrive at truth. Is that right?

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            Comment by John Branyan — August 9, 2019 @ 9:47 am | Reply

            • You are either deliberately obtuse or stupid. I prefer the former. What part of “Only if they can be shown how to create their own purpose …” do you not understand? My thesis is that accepting a life purpose from anyone or anything else is folly. Can you not understand that? Or can you not set aside ad hominem attacks, being part of your life’s purpsoe?

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              Comment by Steve Ruis — August 9, 2019 @ 9:55 am | Reply

              • I’m not the one throwing around words like “obtuse” and “stupid” so any ad hominem attacks must be coming from another source.

                When you suggest truth is derived from our individual sense of purpose, you homogenize all motives and behaviors. If purpose exists only in the imaginations of individuals, then it doesn’t exist at all. Missionaries derive purpose from feeding orphans. Mass shooters derive purpose from purging the planet of people they deem problematic. Do you honestly believe they’re both finding truth? Or can you not set aside your atheist dogma, being part of you life’s purpose?

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                Comment by John Branyan — August 9, 2019 @ 10:11 am | Reply

                • Again, you are making things up. “Missionaries derive purpose from feeding orphans.” You do not have to be a missionary to feed orphans. Try again.

                  As to my ad hominem attack upon you, I was responding to your quite deliberate mischaracterization of my position.

                  Your position of “If purpose exists only in the imaginations of individuals, then it doesn’t exist at all.” is quite bizarre. Human beings would not be human beings without the skill of imagination. All concepts, including purposes, start in the imagination … for human beings. We construct a simulacrum of reality in our imaginations in order to do experiments that are too dangerous to do otherwhere. All purposes are imagined by individuals and then “shared” through communication. Otherwise, where would theists get their “life purposes?” If they were to wait for Jesus to tell them directly, no one would have such a purpose, and it also would be impossible to distinguish that source of a life purpose with an imaginary one. Consider the Apostle Paul. If his “life’s purpose” didn’t come to him through imagination, then how did he arrive at it? Through magic? Realize that the Apostle Paul never mentions an earthly Jesus (and neither do any of the other epistles). His Jesus operated solely in the Heavens as a spiritual being. Where did these ideas come from?

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                  Comment by Steve Ruis — August 9, 2019 @ 10:35 am | Reply

                  • “You do not have to be a missionary to feed orphans. Try again.”
                    Correct. Atheists can feed orphans too. The point is that feeding orphans and mowing down innocent people with a gun are two different activities. I believe you are suggesting that either activity leads to truth according to the individual’s sense of purpose. It is not my intention to mis-characterize your position.

                    When truth is relative to each person’s purpose, feeding orphans and killing innocents are equally valid activities. If this isn’t your position, please explain my misunderstanding.

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                    Comment by John Branyan — August 9, 2019 @ 10:50 am | Reply

                    • Again, you misrepresent what I said. Truth is not relative to each person’s purpose but each person’s purpose is displayed through the things they do. If they do things that are reprehensible, and people do do such things, then society has a say as to whether they can continue to do them. If one doesn’t care about one’s fellow humans, they can have quite bizarre purposes in life. They can also be expunged by approving neighbors. Adopting a life purpose has a number of elements, most of which are evaluated using our imaginations. If one of us imagines themselves becoming a doctor and then going to underserved areas to practice medicine and help people, I think they can imagine that they will be held in high esteem. If one is determined, like Donald Trump was, to become a slum lord and treat people with disdain and disrespect, then he could reasonably expect to be shunned by a great many people. (Consider Trump’s reputation in New York City.)

                      Just because you imagine a life’s purpose, it does not mean that purpose is true or false. What I claimed was false was that you could get a life’s purpose handed to you from someone else. If you wanted to find a life’s purpose that resonates within you, you need to create it for yourself. You were the one bringing up “truth,” and only in the context of the source of purposes, not in the purposes themselves.

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                      Comment by Steve Ruis — August 9, 2019 @ 12:20 pm

                    • “Only if they can be shown how to create their own purpose can they arrive at the truth.”
                      Then
                      “Just because you imagine a life’s purpose, it does not mean that purpose is true or false.”

                      Which of these statements would you like to discuss?

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                      Comment by John Branyan — August 9, 2019 @ 1:28 pm

                    • You see a conflict? I do not. There is a path. Where you go in this path and where you stop is up to you. You can get somewhere or not. It is a process. It is a path. If you are not on the path, you don’t get to where the path is leading.

                      You are unaware of people who thought that there path was to make as much money as possible to be able to live the life they wanted to and then got stuck making money with no end because there was never enough? You are unaware of people who changed religions because they didn’t find their old one fulfilling?

                      Your belief in everyone having One True Path is misleading you into thinking there is one true path. When you are stuck in a rut, the edges look like the horizon.

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                      Comment by Steve Ruis — August 10, 2019 @ 1:22 pm

                    • So would you say that all paths lead equally to truth?

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                      Comment by John Branyan — August 10, 2019 @ 1:47 pm

                    • No many paths lead away, but because you are on the path doesn’t mean you will get there. Many stop to rest or for a lemonade and do not press through. If you start on the wrong path, you definitely won’t get there. If you are on the right path, you might get there.

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                      Comment by Steve Ruis — August 10, 2019 @ 2:09 pm

                    • This comment contradicts your earlier comments. If everyone makes up their own purpose, there’s no such thing as a wrong path.

                      I agree with the sentiments that you’ve communicated here, but these comments indicate that you believe purpose is not purely imaginary.

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                      Comment by John Branyan — August 10, 2019 @ 2:33 pm

                    • I think in many ways we are more alike than different. How’s that for an insult?

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                      Comment by Steve Ruis — August 10, 2019 @ 2:10 pm

                    • I don’t consider that an insult. In what ways do you believe that we are alike?

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                      Comment by John Branyan — August 10, 2019 @ 2:41 pm

          • Steve wrote:

            Only if they can be shown how to create their own purpose

            You having trouble reading again, Johnny?

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            Comment by Arkenaten — August 9, 2019 @ 9:51 am | Reply

    • Do you reckon Branyan is behaving himself this time around, Steve?
      😉

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      Comment by Arkenaten — August 9, 2019 @ 9:49 am | Reply

  4. I agree that many animals act much better than many humans.
    Oh, going off topic, if the earth was flat, the cats would have knocked everything off the planet long ago.

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    Comment by Walter Kronkat — August 8, 2019 @ 3:33 pm | Reply

    • LOL!!!!!! And … true!

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  5. When you teach Americans it’s their God-given right to own guns, don’t be surprised when they start shooting one another, en masse.

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    Comment by chris schilling — August 8, 2019 @ 9:42 pm | Reply

    • This “right” is reserved for White Americans. If Black Americans got open carry permits and then openly carried guns, the police would shoot and kill them.

      The last time the GOP was interested in gun control was when the Black Panthers decided to arm themselves.

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — August 9, 2019 @ 9:26 am | Reply

      • You are suggesting that police shouldn’t live by the purpose they’ve made for themselves. That’s a bit inconsistent.

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        Comment by John Branyan — August 9, 2019 @ 10:16 am | Reply

  6. But, but, but, we are animals. I like that tag: ‘fundamentalist whackos.’ Exactly right.

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    Comment by Bill — August 9, 2019 @ 9:04 am | Reply

  7. If you believe there’s some kind of grand overall purpose to life, you are living in lala land.

    And if you can’t figure out your own life well enough to feel a sense of personal purpose to either family, community support, writing, art or simply being a good husband, mother, friend or just being kind and not obnoxious, then the problem is way beyond such a mind can comprehend.

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    Comment by maryplumbago — August 9, 2019 @ 11:15 am | Reply

  8. “I’m not the one throwing around words like “obtuse” and “stupid” so any ad hominem attacks […]

    Those are just insults.

    If it was put forward we shouldn’t accept your arguments because you are stupid and obtuse, that would indeed be an ad hominem.

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    Comment by The Arbourist — August 10, 2019 @ 9:02 am | Reply

    • Of course.
      Silly of me to mistake insults for ad hominem.
      Thank you for clarifying that.

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      Comment by John Branyan — August 10, 2019 @ 4:28 pm | Reply


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