Uncommon Sense

July 24, 2019

Roman Christianity?

Filed under: History,Religion — Steve Ruis @ 8:45 am

Maybe my views on the Roman empire’s influence on Christianity are not so radical after all.


PS Thanks, Ark, for the link!


  1. I had never considered how Paul’s stance on slavery changed.
    And pointed put by Crossan, too.
    Another brick in the wall….

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    Comment by Arkenaten — July 24, 2019 @ 10:02 am | Reply

    • Well, “Paul”s stance” is not so benign. He basically says one Christian shouldn’t enslave another Christisn. He doesn’t say anything about enslaving heathens. This is, however, a step up from the Hebrews who said there are limits on how long a Hebrew males can be enslaved. That is until that limit was reached and a con is played to get that Hebrew to volunteer to be a slave for the rest of his life (They held any family the Hebrew slave had hostage.)

      The Greek word slave was “translated” as “servant” over and over by many Biblical translators. Because of slavery, paid servants were very, very rare in the Middle East. Why pay someone when you can get people who work for free? The original cost of the slave is amortized over a lifetime of work and sexual favors.

      On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 10:02 AM Class Warfare Blog wrote:


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      Comment by Steve Ruis — July 24, 2019 @ 11:10 am | Reply

  2. Steve/Ark,

    If I may, I will copy paste my thoughts/comments here from Ark’s blog-post on Roman (Herodian) Christianity… thank you. 🙂


    And Ark, Saul of Tarsus’ background, family, and theological origins are anything BUT certain.

    There is very plausible evidence that not only was Saul/Paul NOT of the tribe of Benjamin (it can’t be corroborated), but actually was from the family of Herodian Jews and this CAN BE supported from his own epistles and extraneous contemporaneous sources.

    Assuming more than 7 letters are authentically Paul’s and also assuming that every single word in those letters are strictly his… here’s the evidence:

    Salute Herodion my kinsman. Greet them that be of the household of Narcissus, which are in the Lord. — Romans 16:11

    IOW, salute “The Littlest Herod” which is a son of the Roman Governor Felix and the Herodian Princess Drusilla, both killed by the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius in Pompeii. This connection is further supported by Romans 16:10 “Salute Apelles approved in Christ. Salute them which are of the Aristobulus’ household.” This is likely the Aristobulus, son of Agrippa I brother, Herod of Chalcis. Ironically, THAT is the husband of Salome who played a key (huge?) role in beheading of John the Baptist. Hence, Paul has some very serious clear familial connections to Herodians in Jerusalem! And this is further corroborated by Acts 23, assuming again that the Book of Acts is reliable and inerrant according to Christian apologists 😉 …

    Paul called one of the centurions and said, “Take this young man to the tribune, for he has something to report to him.” (v. 17)

    Then he [the Roman Tribune] summoned two of the centurions and said, “Get ready to leave by nine o’clock tonight for Caesarea with two hundred soldiers, seventy horsemen, and two hundred spearmen. Also provide mounts for Paul to ride, and take him safely to Felix the governor.” He wrote a letter to this effect:” (vv. 23-25)

    These passages are hugely revealing! Obviously at this time, Paul is very hated by Syro-Palestinian Jews for several reasons of heresy. But it is HIGHLY improbable for a Jew to have such power to command a Roman Tribune to get Paul, 200 Legionnaires, 70 cavalry-men, and 200 Hastati or Triarii (spearmen), AND demand his own horse UNLESS he had very prestigious connections… or Herodian family connections, which he obviously did have!

    Naturally, given historical events with King Herod and his family’s descendants and that of the Syro-Palestinian Jews — rebellious Jews to Herod at that — decades later New Testament authorities compiling the Canon will NOT want Paul’s Herodian lineage known. Why? Hellenistic Christology — today’s version — NEEDS Jewish Messianism and Paul’s (fake?) lineage from the tribe of Benjamin… again, a Pauline background that cannot be authenticated, verified, nor has it ever been! But IS intentionally cloudy and mysteriously ambiguous. Hmmmmmm. Things that make intelligent people who do not take everything at face-value… go Hmmmm. 🤔

    Thank you Steve. ❤


    Comment by Professor Taboo — July 24, 2019 @ 3:41 pm | Reply

  3. I wrote about enslaving heathens awhile back. It still makes sense to me. https://johnbranyan.com/lets-enslave-the-heathen/


    Comment by John Branyan — July 24, 2019 @ 5:01 pm | Reply

  4. Being a self described long time pagan/heathen, I’d make a very unruly slave. Best stick to your own kind there J. B. Remember, you religious types are already indoctrinated to follow some messianic ass hat.


    Comment by Walter Kronkat — July 25, 2019 @ 12:18 am | Reply

  5. Hello there. This is good writing. I’m on the crossroads, and faith is something that either boggles or fascinates me. I am just new here in WordPress (2 weeks actually), and I also wrote a book review/wrote about my take/experience of reading Anne Lamott. Here it is: https://kloydecaday.wordpress.com/2019/07/24/books-on-faith-terrify-me-until-anne-lamott/.

    Good job for supporting self-expression through writing. I appreciate it if we follow each other and keep on blogging. Thank you!


    Comment by kloydecaday — July 28, 2019 @ 9:08 pm | Reply

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