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November 19, 2018

Worse than the Scientologists?

Filed under: Uncategorized — Steve Ruis @ 12:16 pm

I just watched part of an episode of Leah Remini: Scientology the Aftermath which was about the Jehovah’s Witnesses. This was apparently at the request of some survivors of that church. I knew Scientology was a scam before I saw any of her exposes. I didn’t know they were as bad as they were, though, so she really helped clarify the situation. I thought that the Jehovah’s Witnesses were just another fringe brand of Christianity but they may be worse than the Scientologists.

Scientology worked a bit of a scam getting itself declared as a religion by the IRS (I want to be a religion, toooo!) and it has that status legally because of that declaration. (It also profits financially (hugely) because of this.) The Jehovah’s witnesses have been around since the mid-1800s when the IRS hadn’t yet been invented, so I think they got grandfathered in because they survived as a cult.

The Jehovah’s Witnesses seem to be scripture cherry-pickers of the worst sort. They justify abominable practices using any scriptural reference they can find apparently. As an example, along in the 1940’s, they decided that blood transfusions were the work of Satan and forbade their members from having them. They quoted Acts of the Apostles that reiterated the Jewish claim that food should not contain blood. (The effing Holy Bible is full of blood magic, bogus blood magic, of course.) Because of this admonition, JHers die regularly because of refused blood transfusions. It is not just that the member him- or herself refuses, but the churches send out teams to make sure they refuse. This includes children of members, often young enough that their parent’s refuse for them. Those who die from this lack of medical care are considered particularly holy.

Think about what else the JH leaders could have done to reinforce their control over “their flock.” They could have noted that this admonition refers to food and hence doesn’t apply strictly, but since they believe all non-JHers are controlled by Satan, they could have forbidden transfusion from non-church members. Then they could have organized their own blood banks and helped each other to live and grow in the church. There were other options, but it seems they prefer submission of women to men, children to parents, and all church members to the leaders of the church above all else. Of course, they call this submitting to Jehovah (probably should be Jehovah™).

They also had to have their own “translation” of the “Holy Bible” as none of the hundreds already in existence seemed to do what they needed. (Need a blatant sign of a scam?)

If you do not accept my claim that religions do not survive that do not coerce the masses to serve the interests of the religious and secular elites, you need to look at the levels of coercion in both of these “religions.” They both have church members spying on their fellows and reporting any failings observed. When they shun people, families are split up and communication between the fragments is banned. Plus, they have industrialized “blaming the victim.” Anything that goes wrong is your fault, because they represent God, don’t you know, and He makes no mistakes. (Why the Great Flood ever happened is beyond me because “He makes no mistakes.”)

If you haven’t yet read What’s the Harm? Why Religious Belief Is Always Bad by Richard Carrier, I strongly urge you to do so. And do realize some of these “religions” are worse, far worse, than others, e.g. the Australian JH Church knew of over 1000 child sexual molesters in their ranks and reported none of them, zero. They claimed that they couldn’t take action because “scripture” required that there be two witnesses for a crime to be adjudged, which would mean that a child molester would need to bring a couple of adult, male witnesses along to build a case against himself. So, none of the accusations were adjudicated by their panels. They did say, however, that they did believe the children who came forward to accuse their molesters … but their hands were tied, you see, because of the two witness rule. Scum, utter scum of humanity.




  1. You can tell a Jehovahs Witness, but you can tell em much! Of course, each think the others are crazy. SDA, LDS, and JW all in the outside looking in, unwelcome in the national council of churches because their crazy doesn’t match up with mainstream crazy.


    Comment by jim- — November 19, 2018 @ 12:34 pm | Reply

    • Yeah, no discipline at all. What ever happened to the good old days wen the church pursued heretics and killed them off. (The Vatican had military bands that could go into any hamlet and kill people willy-nilly and declare them to be heretics and all was good.)

      On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 12:34 PM Class Warfare Blog wrote:



      Comment by Steve Ruis — November 19, 2018 @ 12:53 pm | Reply

  2. In Richard’s article, there is no mention of the most pernicious religion of all times, fundamaterialism (coined by a contemporary philosopher whose name escapes me at the moment).


    Comment by donsalmon — November 19, 2018 @ 1:31 pm | Reply

  3. Heavens Gate is a tad worse…

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    Comment by john zande — November 19, 2018 @ 1:39 pm | Reply

    • After reading Carrier’s blog post (a bit more bite than his academic publications), it seems they rank from near awful to bloody awful all the way up to “waste of skin.” So, Saint Anselm would have trouble discerning which sect was the worst conceivable one.

      On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 1:39 PM Class Warfare Blog wrote:


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      Comment by Steve Ruis — November 19, 2018 @ 1:44 pm | Reply

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      Comment by jim- — November 19, 2018 @ 2:03 pm | Reply

  4. In actuality … there is simply NOTHING that is worse than religion. In any or all of its myriad forms, interpretations, practices, etc.


    Comment by Nan — November 19, 2018 @ 2:05 pm | Reply

  5. “And do realize some of these “religions” are worse, far worse, than others…”
    On this, we agree.
    What a person believes (or doesn’t believe) matters a great deal.


    Comment by John Branyan — November 19, 2018 @ 3:17 pm | Reply

  6. This just proves my thoughts to be correct. Organized religion is THE absolute worst human invention ever.


    Comment by Walter Kronkat — November 20, 2018 @ 12:39 am | Reply

  7. There was some pope, long ago who when his general asked who they might kill in the city they were attacking was told by said pope; “Kill them all. God will know his own”. There ya go folks, kill them all and just let doG sort them out later on. Hey the old guy, has to be male, hasn’t done much. He supposedly did a six days worth of creating, then a few hours or so now and then. Not very much of a working class guy this doG. Must be just one more reason for me to not buy into his crapola.


    Comment by Walter Kronkat — November 20, 2018 @ 12:43 am | Reply

    • That story dates to the First Crusade and is probably made up. Sounds appropriate, though, doesn’t it.

      On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 12:43 AM Class Warfare Blog wrote:



      Comment by Steve Ruis — November 20, 2018 @ 10:44 am | Reply

  8. JB claims “what a person believes (or doesn’t believe) matters a great deal.”

    That may well be, but that doesn’t necessarily mean one’s beliefs were arrived at through a rational process. JB’s beliefs, themselves, are probably more a product of his upbringing and conditioning than anything he “chose” for himself. And you can bet JB’s beliefs will take pride of place — in his estimation — over the “competition”, simply because they’re his, and he defines himself along those lines, accordingly.


    Comment by ChrisS — November 20, 2018 @ 10:14 pm | Reply

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