Uncommon Sense

September 11, 2018

Evangelical Pastor Denies the Existence of Original Sin, Undermining All of Christianity

The Statement on Social Justice and the Gospel, was recently issued by a group including John MacArthur, a prominent (and very conservative) evangelical pastor and Bible teacher.

The Statement on Social Justice and the Gospel claims that social justice is not, in fact, a definitional component of the gospel, and that it is heresy to elevate “non-essentials to the status of essentials.” The document instead affirms traditional beliefs on same-sex relationships and “God-ordained” gender roles. It seems particularly focused on rejecting collective blame in racial matters. “We deny that … any person is morally culpable for another person’s sin,” the statement argues. “We further deny that one’s ethnicity establishes any necessary connection to any particular sin.”

I’m shocked, shocked I tell you.

These worthy divines are denying that we have inherited Adam and Eve’s sin (“We deny that … any person is morally culpable for another person’s sin,”) and are, therefore, in no need of salvation through Jesus or anyone else.

These people will do anything to support racism, it seems, including throwing Christianity under the bus.

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  1. “These people will do anything to support racism, it seems, including throwing Christianity under the bus.”

    You will do anything to disparage Christianity, it seem, including redefining the meaning of racism.

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    Comment by John Branyan — September 11, 2018 @ 10:01 am | Reply

  2. Section XIV is … interesting.

    We deny that the Bible can be legitimately used to foster or justify partiality, prejudice, or contempt toward other ethnicities.

    Odd how this flies in the face of what Luther recommended. Antisemitism is firmly rooted in Christian doctrine.

    Historically, the Jews have always been targeted as ”Christ-Killers.”

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    Comment by Arkenaten — September 11, 2018 @ 12:19 pm | Reply

    • I suspect that often these folks don’t stop to consider what they are saying. Like when they claim Christianity was at the forefront of the slavery abolition movement in the US. There were prominent Christians and churches in the movement but that had no scriptural support for what they were doing. Christianity to these folks seems to be what Christians are doing about this or that regardless of whether one can craft any scriptural support. (Another prime example are those who claim that the NT supersedes the OT and then go on and on about the Ten Commandments or whatnot in the old covenant.

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — September 11, 2018 @ 12:33 pm | Reply

      • Another prime example are those who claim that the NT supersedes the OT and then go on and on about the Ten Commandments or whatnot in the old covenant.

        Yes, I am always amused ( bemused?) by this.

        If God is in Jesus is in God it seems somewhat odd for an omniscient deity to have screwed up so badly in Part One that it was forced to make an encore in Part Two – in human disguise no less – and still it screwed-up.

        And talking of amusing screw-ups … I see that Blogsville’s resident Arse-Hat , Branyan has deigned to grace your blog with yet another erudite contribution.
        Aaah …what would the world do without his marvelous comedic talent. Jesus must be so proud.

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        Comment by Arkenaten — September 11, 2018 @ 2:08 pm | Reply

  3. These worthy divines are denying that we have inherited Adam and Eve’s sin (“We deny that … any person is morally culpable for another person’s sin,”) and are, therefore, in no need of salvation through Jesus or anyone else.

    When you point this out, there is a good chance that you would hear something like
    You are misrepresenting me
    OR
    You are taking things out of context

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    Comment by Jonathan — September 11, 2018 @ 3:08 pm | Reply

  4. Throwing Christianity under the bus? Poor dears……LOL, NOT. I threw the whole mess into the trash can way back at age 13/14 and have never looked back nor been happier for doing so. Organized religion, monotheistic religion is the absolute worst human invention ever. My opinion and no, it is not humble at all.

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    Comment by Walter Kronkat — September 11, 2018 @ 3:17 pm | Reply

  5. Original sin doctrine was not in the Bible. It was not invented until a couple hundred years or more later. A early medieval concept mainly made popular by St. Augustine.

    I think very few Christians believe in that anymore.

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    Comment by Old Guy — September 11, 2018 @ 5:14 pm | Reply

    • I read an entire book on OS and the author of that book, a devout Christian (then teaching at Wheaton College) was of the position that if there was no OS, then Christianity had no basis to exist. If not for Yahweh’s curse, there would be no need for salvation through Jesus.

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — September 12, 2018 @ 9:01 am | Reply

      • I understand that a lot of scholars believe that doctrine. There are a lot of doctrines that different scholars believe. And other scholars don’t believe. I am not sure what the Pope thinks and what the current positions of the Catholic Church is in that.
        But I don’t think OS is in the Bible. I’m not, of course, a profession of religion. Do my opinion can be taken for what it is worth. My children consider my opinions important, but that is about as far as my influence and authority goes.

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        Comment by Old Guy — September 12, 2018 @ 9:18 am | Reply

        • Accvording to Wikipedia …

          *Original sin*, also called ancestral sin ,[1] is a Christian belief of the state of sin in which humanity exists since the fall of man , stemming from Adam and Eve ‘s rebellion in Eden , namely the sin of disobedience in consuming the forbidden fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil .[2] This condition has been characterized in many ways, ranging from something as insignificant as a slight deficiency, or a tendency toward sin yet without collective guilt, referred to as a “sin nature”, to something as drastic as total depravity or automatic guilt of all humans through collective guilt .[3]

          The concept of original sin was first alluded to in the 2nd century by Irenaeus , Bishop of Lyon in his controversy with certain dualist Gnostics .[4] Other church fathers such as Augustine also developed the doctrine,[2] seeing it as based on the New Testament teaching of Paul the Apostle (Romans 5:12–21 and 1 Corinthians 15:21-22 ) and the Old Testament verse of Psalms 51:5 .[5] [6] [7] [8] [9] Tertullian , Cyprian , Ambrose and Ambrosiaster considered that humanity shares in Adam’s sin, transmitted by human generation. Augustine’s formulation of original sin was popular among Protestant reformers , such as Martin Luther and John Calvin , who equated original sin with concupiscence (or “hurtful desire”), affirming that it persisted even after baptism and completely destroyed freedom, although Augustine said that free will was weakened but not destroyed by original sin.[2] The Jansenist movement, which the Catholic Church declared to be heretical, also maintained that original sin destroyed freedom of will .[10] Instead the Catholic Church declares “Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ’s grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle.”[11] “Weakened and diminished by Adam’s fall, free will is yet not destroyed in the race”[12]

          If “the Catholic Church declares “Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ’s grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God” is still Catholic doctrine, then the Catholics still believe in OS, as do myriad Protestants.

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          Comment by Steve Ruis — September 12, 2018 @ 9:30 am | Reply

          • I know what the doctrine and belief is and what is taught. Augustine and the early writers have made a lot of errors in their interpretation of the Bible. This is one of them. D

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            Comment by Old Guy — September 12, 2018 @ 10:18 am | Reply

            • I guess we all have beliefs about beliefs. I think if a sizable fraction of Christians were to be surveyed (without prejudice) I think they would affirm a belief in Original Sin.

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              Comment by Steve Ruis — September 12, 2018 @ 10:21 am | Reply

              • Maybe so. The Pope and the Catholics also do not believe in contraception, birth control, divorce and remarriage or reporting priest who rape children to the legal authorities. Do much for what they believe.

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                Comment by Old Guy — September 12, 2018 @ 10:26 am | Reply

  6. It’s all a crock

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    Comment by maryplumbago — September 11, 2018 @ 5:54 pm | Reply


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