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January 21, 2018

Without God How …

Filed under: Religion — Steve Ruis @ 1:35 pm
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There is a class of people called theists, people who believe in the existence of a god or gods, who are making a class war against those who do not so believe, atheists. This is called a class war, if you didn’t know. Part of that class war is fueled by theist’s minds being poisoned against atheists based upon false claims for their religion. Here are a series of questions that theists put to atheists that expose these false beliefs:

Without god, what is left of morality?

Without god, what purpose is there in man’s life?

If we do not believe in god, how can we be certain of anything?

If god does not exist, whom can we turn to in a time of crisis?

If there is no afterlife, who will reward virtue and punish injustice?

Without god, how can we resist the onslaught of atheistic materialism?

If god does not exist, what becomes of the worth and dignity of each person?

Without god, how can man achieve happiness?

These questions are based upon assumptions or claims that are made for religions that actually have to basis to exist whatsoever, well other than being fiction created by men. Allow me to answer these questions based upon my view that religions exist solely because they serves the interests of secular and religious elites by controlling the behavior of the great masses of people to serve those interests.

Without god, what is left of morality?
This has been discussed at length here and elsewhere. It is based upon the illusion that religions create moralities when, in fact, the moralities existed prior to the creation of the religion. Beyond that, people suffer under the illusion that religions reinforce moral codes, by encouraging good behavior, and without that all of us would revert to a savage state of “might makes right” or the “law of tooth and fang.” This is actually propaganda of religions themselves with no basis in fact. The simple truth is that, around the world, the less religious a state is, the more peaceful it is.
If you accept their argument, then you are being conned by the religious into thinking the existence of the religions and the elites who live off of them are essential, when they are not and instead of doing something proactive to encourage moral behavior, you are deferring to an institution which doesn’t really do this.

Without god, what purpose is there in man’s life?
Again, this has been discussed at length here and elsewhere. The simple answer is that most religious people cannot answer the question “What is the purpose of life?” Many Christians say it is “to serve God.” Consider for a minute that, if the only reason for the existence of a religion is to control the behavior of the masses, including you and me, for the benefit of the elites, who does this belief serve? Basically, this says that our purpose is to serve not others, but God? Who benefits from this? Not you or me, unless you believe other things, that are also untrue. (Some religions go so far to insist that doing “good works” for others will not get a reward in the after life, only belief in their claptrap will do that. They are actively discouraging us helping one another!) Please read on.

If we do not believe in god, how can we be certain of anything?
If you realize that certainty is a false goal, it will help you. We actually cannot be absolutely certain of anything. We can be very certain of many things. But “gods,” or at least the words put into god’s mouths, promise absolute certainty. So, have you every had a moment of religious doubt, that some part of it wasn’t right, even a tiny part? I doubt you can be human and not have had such a moment. Therefore, you are not absolutely certain of your religion, otherwise you never would have had any doubts at all. If you admit such doubt to a theologian, they will blame you; it is your fault, because of your weakness, you have had this doubt. Blaming the victim is a common aspect of such scams.
The desire for absolute certainty is understandable. But it does not exist, so anyone who promises it to you is trying to control your behavior for their benefit, not yours.

If god does not exist, to whom can we turn in a time of crisis?
If you believe that a god consoles you in a time of crisis, what does this consolation consist of? If your child is lost and in danger, is your child returned by a god or by a search party of your fellow human beings? If a loved one gets sick, who will be responsible for their getting well: doctors or gods? If we were to be invaded by a foreign army, would you expect a god to repel that army or would you rather trust our army?
Consoling is what human beings do for others they love and respect and sometimes for total strangers. They basically say that they understand, that they also feel grief, and that life will go on. That is where consolation comes from.

If there is no afterlife, who will reward virtue and punish injustice?
This is an abomination. This tells people that if things are done that are evil to not resist them because punishment will be meted out in some spiritual realm that no one has ever seen. Oh, and you will be rewarded for your virtue in a neighboring supernatural realm. Just do not expect the fruits of your labor to reward you now, because those are being skimmed off to serve the elites.
I have always marveled at priestly classes who surround themselves with priceless architecture, paintings, statuary, furniture, etc. We are told this is necessary to impress the secular elites with the “power of the church.” Hmm, is the similar display by the secular elites to impress the religious elites? Why would the religious want to impress the rich and powerful by showing that they are rich also? I would be much more impressed by modesty and simple living, such as can be seen in Buddhist monks. (They are better only in quantity, they are supported by “alms,” that is gifts of food and other things from “believers.” They also participate in a system that allows the elites to subsist off of the labor of masses.)
Imagine if your home were robbed and the thief dropped his wallet during the theft and his driver’s license clearly identifies him, would you accept from the police that there was nothing they could do but the culprit surely will be punished in the afterlife? Who benefits from an infinite delay in punishment for bad deeds? Who benefits from a infinite delay in rewarding your virtue? What would you think if your boss came up to you and said “That idea you came up with will make millions, maybe billions, for the company! This is really exciting! Thank you. Someday, I am sure, you will be rewarded.” Think about how that would feel and then ask yourself, who would benefit from such a belief here?

Without god, how can we resist the onslaught of atheistic materialism?

Gosh, have you ever considered that the definition of “materialism” is basically focusing on what is real and not on the mythical reality one’s religion is trying to create? In sports or business or the military, what does team building have to do spirituality? I suggest that being focussed on reality could help us decide whether we want good, productive, caring lives, or one’s dictated by people trying to control our behavior so that a very few can be rich and powerful. If you don’t think we have a capability within us, without religion, to know how to live good lives, consider the current stance of the current Pope to avoid condemning Catholic Church officials, including bishops, for covering up widespread child sexual abuse by priests? What possible reason might a religious leader have to not condemn child sex abuse and those who facilitate it? No, Church Lady, it is not Satan, but it is power.

If god does not exist, what becomes of the worth and dignity of each person?
My goodness, can this not be based upon what a person establishes through their actions. Do you really need a god to be able to recognize someone’s dignity? Is a dignity based upon the belief that you were “made in God’s image” or that you are one of “God’s people” real dignity? What kind of god creates conscious beings and then chooses to favor one group of those over the others? Would you praise one of your children and condemn the others because it seems like a godly idea?

Without god, how can man achieve happiness?
Why is it Christians are so unhappy? They look around and see wickedness everywhere. I see acts of human kindness on a daily basis. I am rather a happy person as these things are judged and none of it is god-based. International surveys of happiness correlate well against religiousness. The more religious a country is, the less happy its citizens are. Imagine that.

There are myriad such questions and behind everyone of them is a false claim of a religion:
God is the source of morality.
God is the source of  purpose.
Only God can be trusted and is the only source of truth.
God will console you in times of distress.
God will reward virtue and punish injustice.
God is the source of all happiness.

Now, just for a minute, consider if these are just made up ideas, part of a system designed to control your behavior. Who would benefit from you believing such things? Realize if they were just made up, they are not true, so who benefits if you believe them to be true?

Is it you?

I don’t think so.

But there is a saying that “the rich get richer.” This, as it turns out, is the purpose of civilization. Civilization was designed by the elites for their benefit and this has not changed. In the entire history of civilization, over half of all human beings have been a slave of some sort. Does that sound to you like a system made for you by a loving god? No matter what cause religions to be created, they would not survive if they didn’t keep the masses under control. The elites are few and we are many, so they need ways to make sure we stay calm and not blame them for problems. If we have problems it is because we are sinful and weak, but God loves us and we will be rewarded … later. Just be sure to get up and go to work today, because those profits you generate are needed by the secular elites and if they don’t get them, they will be sad.

By the way, you might note the rules for the masses of ordinary people do not apply to the elites. The elites feel free to break laws, customs, traditions, social norms, whatever. They are above all of that. This is why Catholic priests can sexually abuse choirboys and their superiors cover that up. This is why corporate executives break laws over and over and never go to jail. This is why politicians can become rich in office by taking bribes and suffer no consequences. Oh, and any elite foolish enough to admit they have drunk the Kool-Aid and are true believers will not be trusted by the real elites.

 

 

 

 

10 Comments »

  1. Spot-on. When religious folks criticize my non-belief as “lacking faith,” I ask them why is it a good idea to believe in ANYTHING which lacks proof. It usually triggers a deer-in-the-headlights facial expression from them followed by some of the nonsensical ramblings you cited in this post.

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    Comment by Robert A. Vella — January 21, 2018 @ 2:05 pm | Reply

  2. I don’t have time for theists anymore. There’s so much to explore, to discover, to wonder on that having to argue with idiots is just a waste of time. Theists are the last people I would ever try to have a reasonable, rational discussion with. To me, it’s filter #1. “Do you believe in god (with a capital G)?” Yes? Goodbye.

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    Comment by Anony Mole — January 21, 2018 @ 2:27 pm | Reply

    • I believe in god. God is the most powerful fictional character invented by mankind.

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  3. I’m constantly astonished by just how shallow evangelical thinking is.

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    Comment by john zande — January 21, 2018 @ 2:38 pm | Reply

    • Yeah, if it were a puddle, you could walk through it and not get the bottoms of your feet wet.

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  4. You are the Man! Great summary of the fallacy of religion.

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    Comment by Holding The Line In Florida — January 21, 2018 @ 4:48 pm | Reply

  5. All I know is if religion doesn’t begin to fade away as the generations go by, NOTHING will ever change. We will continue to have wars, racism, hatred, ignorance of science, hypocritical morality based on meanness not kindness….need I go on? And there’s enough craziness worldwide besides Christianity to go around and assure mutual complicit self destruction eventually, if this doesn’t change.
    There is some flaw in genetics or DNA that this has gone on so long right into the modern 21st century.
    I can’t help but wonder why Western Europe is not so afflicted with this craziness. I did read and can recommend an excellent book called “Fantasyland-how America went haywire” by Kurt Andersen, that explains a lot of this.

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    Comment by Mary — January 22, 2018 @ 7:12 am | Reply

    • I think Western Europe is a beacon of hope. Our histories are different. Our Constitution was written by men who knew intimately the histories of the religious wars in Europe and wanted desperately to avoid them. So, we inherited the biases without the intimate exposure to the devastating wars. I think those wars helped western Europe slowly drift away from religion. They had experience to the bone that contradicted the “you need us” campaigns put on by the religions themselves. The Scandinavian countries are inspiring to me, but the most hope I see is from Britain which seems to be accelerating away from religion. In this country, millennials are rejecting the religious impulse in droves, so I think there is some hope.

      Part of that hope is based upon the fact that we can now speak out and not suffer dire circumstances, so there are voices to counter to the ones of the religions now. In the past, some “divine” would say something entirely ridiculous and each of us, lock into our own mind, would reject it as stupid but we had to move on from it so we would forget it. Now, we can discuss it, bounce it around, get confirmation that it was idiotic and occasionally get the word back to the idiot who spoke it that we noticed.

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — January 22, 2018 @ 7:37 am | Reply

  6. What really grinds my gears is that they ask these questions as if it’s the FIRST TIME anyone’s ever asked them. There’s a glint in their eye and an arch to their brow that says “see, this is so profound that you’ve never heard of it”. It deflates them a little when you tell them “these questions are really OLD”. Atheists have been responding to them for *centuries*.

    Also, just remove the “if” from a bunch of them, so they make more sense and become real questions.

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    Comment by Anderson Connors — January 24, 2018 @ 3:02 pm | Reply


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