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November 25, 2017

More Proof They Are Just Making This Stuff Up

Filed under: Culture,History,Religion — Steve Ruis @ 9:06 pm
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Have you ever heard of the Holy Grail? If you haven’t I suggest you get out more. My question is: is it real? Does it have a real connection to the Jesus story?

This is a bit of a tease because nobody knows what it “is” because the first known mention of a Grail (“un graal”) was made in a narrative spun by a 12th century writer of French romance, Chrétien de Troyes, that’s right a fiction writer.

I did a Google Books search and according to them there are 363 books on the topic of the Holy Grail currently for sale (just in English).

So, books, movies, serious scholarly articles … and all of it based upon a piece of fiction writing that caught people’s imaginations.

So, when people claim that the whole Jesus phenomenon was an attempt at myth making and that Jesus wasn’t a real person (although likely to have components of real people woven in), please do not argue that such a thing could not be made up.

The Holy Grail myth did not have the power of a church behind it pushing with all it has. They were willing, to suck off a little publicity, but they didn’t start the thing.

Addendum Okay, you can’t make this stuff up. After I wrote this post (on the same day) I saw an announcement for a new TV series with the topic … the search for the Holy Grail.

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  1. The tales grow taller on down the line. I heard they found Paul Bunyan’s ax too

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    Comment by jiminpanama — November 25, 2017 @ 9:41 pm | Reply

    • Damn, really! I loved Paul Bunyan tales as a child. It is so reassuring that they have proven to be true. What … fake news … argh!

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — November 26, 2017 @ 11:31 am | Reply

      • I was told years ago that it was based on a true story. Again. Not! I believe the Jesus story is partly made up to narrate a cosmic recurrence in the winter solstice. I’ll send you a cool link if I can find it. It coincides perfectly

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        Comment by jiminpanama — November 26, 2017 @ 11:40 am | Reply

        • A great many of us are considering Jesus the Fictional as the beginning of Christianity. The key piece of evidence: Christianity would not exist without Paul. Paul never quotes Jesus “teachings” or refers to him as a real person or mentions anything he ever did. He does refer to him as a cosmic being, though. And Paul’s writings predate all of the other “Xian” stuff.

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  2. I prefer the grail film that Monty Python did. THAT was truly believable. Oh, and it is still funny.

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    Comment by Walter Kronkat — November 25, 2017 @ 10:24 pm | Reply

  3. The Grail, (who’d want a grail with holes, all your wine would drip out…) is a good story, but the king of making shit up needs to go Joseph Smith (and his brother) and James Strang — religious provocateurs extraordinaire. Oh, don’t know who James Strang is? Well, go have yourself a blast, because that is one crazy story.

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    Comment by Anony Mole — November 25, 2017 @ 10:48 pm | Reply

    • Yeah, and his followers overlooked his history of and convictions for being a con man.

      Actually I can top Joseph Smith. How about L. Ron Hubbard. He actually put in print his idea to get rich by founding a religion. And then still people bought into Scientology!

      (There has to be way more than one born every day … just has to be.)

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — November 26, 2017 @ 11:33 am | Reply

      • For every 110 IQ born, there’s a 90 to match; every 120, an 80 — and 80 means mentally handicapped. It’s curious to think that if one measures one’s own IQ – say 125 or so, to consider that there’s someone, your IQ reciprocal, who’s a 75.
        There are days when I think that an IQ of 75 might be a blessing.

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        Comment by Anony Mole — November 26, 2017 @ 12:39 pm | Reply

        • Yeah, you could become President! (Apparently the qualifications have been reduced quite some.)

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          Comment by Steve Ruis — November 26, 2017 @ 9:07 pm | Reply

  4. … and no Indiana Jones necessary.

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    Comment by Arkenaten — November 26, 2017 @ 3:30 am | Reply

    • At least that was for laughs, a lot of these people are serious. There are akin to the people still looking for Noah’s ark. Hello? After months and months of being underwater, no timber would be available to build shelters as all of the trees would be dead and rotting (or waterlogged or …). So what would you do? Hmmm, we got this ark here and we don’t need a museum, so we’ll cobble up shelters using the only damned timber available for the next 40-50 years. So, what remains would one reasonably expect if you believed the idiotic story in the first place? Maybe a dent in the grown where that behemoth sat? You know this is a con. Why do they never go looking for Noah’s shipyard. That should be easier to locate.

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