Uncommon Sense

October 30, 2017

A Viable Way Out of this Mess

I have been reading and hearing a lot of wishful thinking surrounding Mr. Trump of late. Most of the thinking focuses on removing the president through impeachment and trial or via the 25th Amendment to the Constitution.

President Midas … er, Trump

Neither of these paths are at all attractive to my mind.

Consider the 25th Amendment route to removal of the President. In order for the scheme to work, a two-thirds majority in Congress of both houses, have to assent and that is after the Vice President and “a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments” have attested to the president’s unfitness for office as I am fairly certain Mr. Trump won’t off himself. Lots of luck with that as the Republicans hold solid majorities in both houses of Congress and most of the members have enough intellectual energy to light a match, so will probably shy away from voting on anything controversial that doesn’t involve a tax cut for the rich or the striking of Mr. Obama’s name from a post office or other edifice.

The impeachment path is even scarier. Gee, make Mr. Trump the center of attention … for months. Oh, he will hate that … not. And who is to say he won’t win? And nothing, absolutely nothing will get done for months.

The only viable path I can see out of this mess is to make Mr. Trump irrelevant. He continues to be President, head of state, head tweeter, etc. He gets to pardon the turkey, light the Christmas tree, etc. But otherwise, Congress ignores him and the military ignores him.

You see, if Mr. Trump is overtly removed from office, his supporters will be permanently opposed to anything we wish to do for the foreseeable future. They will rightly see this action as “not giving him a chance” and a “witch hunt,” etc. Mr. Trump is an outsider to Washington politics (all politics for that matter). He was elected because of that. If he is politically lynched it will appear to be a classic “the Empire strikes back” move of the “insiders” and Mr. Trump’s supporters will feel thoroughly dissed (correctly so).

This is not something that “we the people” will get over easily. I have argued that not only should Mr. Trump’s votes be counted as a vote against the status quo but also all of Mr. Obama’s. Think about it. This deeply racist country elects a Black president? Is there any greater statement of displeasure with the status quo.

The status quo involves the rich getting richer at an alarming rate at the expense of the rest of us. This has been going on for the better part of 40 years and people are really, really (really!) feeling it and they want it to stop. Even if you think that Mr. Trump’s selection had a snowball’s chance in hell of actually reversing the disparity of wealth in this country, that was basically what was fueling his election.

Removing him directly would therefore be a big, big mistake.

The few sane Democrats and Republicans have to get together behind the scenes and get a few things done but mostly they need to sit on their hands with regard to major agenda items as little good will come from their pursuit. Allow Mr. Trump his platform and move beyond him in the next election.

The Republicans will have little problem putting up some other candidate for president in 2020. The accomplishments of Mr. Trump will be mostly destructive (people can’t sue their banks, businesses are free to pollute, etc.) and the claim can be made that Mr. Trump wasn’t a real Republican (by the other candidates, not the party). It is curious that Bernie Sanders got hit repeatedly for not being a real Democrat when Mr. Trump was less involved with Republican politics than Sen. Sanders was with the Dems (who caucused with the Dems), yet Mr. Trump was never attacked as not a true Repub.

Possibly when Mr. Trump’s tax plan goes down in flames, or worse actually gets passed (What will the Repubs say when people’s taxes go up?), the Repubs will be motivated to sideline Mr. Trump.


  1. I agree with your conclusion totally. Remove the orange haired rodent by any means and they make him a martyr. That would be the worst thing this idiot congress could do right now, well other than let the Donald start a war with North Korea. Hopefully, the military would disobey such an order. I still remember a lecture we got in USMC boot camp in the summer of 1968, according to the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) even the lowest private was obligated to disobey any and all unlawful orders no matter what rank of the person that gave such order. This applied to Ollie the shit North as well, and his “following orders” crap during the Iran/Contra hearings still makes me sick, just like the Nazis did at Nuremberg.
    Let the Donald remain as a figure head, bit let him remain in office until 2020 and run somebody with brain to replace him. Crap, if you remove him now, we get that creating Pence! This country has zero need for a fundamentalist xtian as our POTUS.


    Comment by Walter Kronkat — October 30, 2017 @ 10:32 am | Reply

  2. I don’t think either scenario is likely. My hope is that SI Mueller’s present and future criminal prosecutions expose those around Trump and lead to a criminal prosecution of Trump[s] themselves at the conclusion of his term as POTUS. THAT will send a clear message to the crooks in Congress that change is underway. You will note I didn’t specify which party, AFAIK, they’re ALL crooks.
    Also, if Trumps folds under the pressure and decides to resign, I’d expect that the investigation and prosecutions continue through to their conclusion. Resigning should be a get out of jail free card.

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    Comment by persedeplume — October 30, 2017 @ 11:28 am | Reply

  3. I disagree with both you and Walter. IF it is show / proven that tRumpsky has committed an impeachable offence and the democrats can get their shit together enough to win the congress, at least the house, he should be impeached. As for the idea we can depend on military leaders to suddenly raise up and refuse an order from tRumpsky is not likely. Remember Flynn was a general. The fact is the president alone has the authority to demand / declare the launch of nuclear missiles. While there is time for the joint chiefs and even civilian cabinet members to discuss other types of orders the president wants issued, the system for nuclear defense is time limited to about 30 to 40 minutes of which that gives the president about 5 to 10 minutes to make the call if I remember correctly. I do not want tRumpsky in the position to give that order. I would even accept God bible thumping anti-gay Pence before the orange ball of hurt anger we have now. The best thing that can happen is the congress goes to a democratic majority, and then we can not only block his legislative attempts to harm everyone but the wealthy , we can undo his executive orders with legislation, and we can force him to nominate moderate judges. That last one is the far more important to me. The judges he is putting on benches are ideologically driven to the hard right and are not progressive, instead will drive the country to a regressive prior time when it was not such a good place to live for many. Hugs

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    Comment by Scottie — October 30, 2017 @ 11:36 am | Reply

    • But Scottie, do you have an opinion? ;o)

      You exhibit the passions that our president stirs up. Would that he could stir up goodwill toward others or something, anything positive.

      It is almost impossible for me to disagree with you. I was looking for a loophole that could get us out of this trap we sprung on ourselves, still leaving us somewhat whole. Probably a fool’s errand.

      On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Class Warfare Blog wrote:


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      Comment by Steve Ruis — October 30, 2017 @ 11:41 am | Reply

      • Hello Steve. I think you are correct to look to the steps further down the road than jsut the first step, and what may happen if we were to start down a path. The thing that is making me upset right now is hearing people in congress hedge and say the path for the democrats is to hide, to stay low, to not make any moves or suggest ideas that might make the republican public that is up set with tRumpsky not vote for the democrats next election. Well I say those people are not going to vote for a democrat unless the democrat is a republican anyway. I do not want a party of republican lites. I was a true progressive party that will stand for progressive ideas and fight for them. Polls show the majority of people want progressive policies when they are asked about specific things that affect them. We just have to energize that group and get them to vote. But to do that they have to be able to see that those they are voting for will actually push for things that benefit the people. That is populism, and it is not a bad thing just because tRumpsky used it. What you described about why people voted as they did is populism as I understand the term. The people want help for what they see as harming them, preventing them from moving up. Their really is a much smaller ideological single issue voters. So the democrats could do progressive candidates and really make a difference. But the party is divided between what some call the corporate wing and the progressive wing. I call them the liberals and the republican lites. Hugs

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        Comment by Scottie — October 30, 2017 @ 11:51 am | Reply

        • I am afraid that all of the politicians in our Congress have been selected to be, like sheep, timid and easy to corral. Have any of them stood up for what is right and true about our country in a long time? Certainly not without consulting their pollsters and donors ahead of time.

          It is a sad time that serving in the Congress is so disreputable that quality candidates either don’t want to run or can’t run because of the existence of “safe” seats.

          Hugs to you, my friend. We will find a way out of this … i just hope it isn’t feet first.

          On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Class Warfare Blog wrote:


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          Comment by Steve Ruis — October 30, 2017 @ 1:45 pm | Reply

  4. Take back the house and senate in 2018. Sideline the lunatic, then crush him in 2020.

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    Comment by john zande — October 30, 2017 @ 12:28 pm | Reply

    • To do this (sounds good, but …) you’d need to find some Democrats with spines. Currently they are all vying for Invertebrate of the Year.

      This is why I was hoping that Bernie would form a third party to pose an existential threat to the two faux major parties now in existence. Might flush a few vertebrates of of the woodwork.

      On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Class Warfare Blog wrote:


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      Comment by Steve Ruis — October 30, 2017 @ 1:48 pm | Reply

  5. There was a saying some years back about there not being a dimes worth of difference between the donkey gang and the elephant gang. I sent an email to Alex Cockburn while he was still alive, he was one of the founders of Counterpunch. I told him that in my view, the two parties were just the two sides of the very same bloody coin. He agreed with me. I still hold to that. BOTH the two main parties in ‘Merikkka are beholden to Wall Street and the weapons makers. The donkey gang dropped the working class and any support for unions years ago, definitely during the nasty Clinton era.
    I’d like to live long enough to see a clean sweep of BOTH houses of congress and a restoration of the republic, but that won’t be happening. Ah well, I tried my best, not much else anybody can do in this life.

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    Comment by Walter Kronkat — October 30, 2017 @ 12:51 pm | Reply

    • I cannot disagree. Calling the Dems “Corporate Democrats” is too kind for their abandonment of labor unions, the oppressed, minorities and the poor. (How about fucking cowards? That has a nice ring to it.) But they are bought and paid for, just not but us. I wonder if they ever have sales, we might be able to buy a representative if we pool our money.

      On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Class Warfare Blog wrote:


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      Comment by Steve Ruis — October 30, 2017 @ 1:51 pm | Reply

  6. bloody brilliant, nothing is more demoralizing than being gently ignored…and for a bred in the bone narcissist, it can be devastating.


    Comment by Judy — November 1, 2017 @ 10:36 am | Reply

    • We keep giving him what he wants … to be the center of attention (for whatever reason).


      Comment by Steve Ruis — November 2, 2017 @ 9:17 am | Reply

  7. And as I have been telling my neoliberal pseudo progressive friends: Get rid of Trump, and you get the first ‘legitimate’ American right wing Christian fascist President in Mr. Pence. As the Church Lady used to say on SNL (when it was actually funny and relevant) “No isn’t that special.”


    Comment by Zach — November 2, 2017 @ 12:45 pm | Reply

    • Damn, I miss the Church Lady (Dana is back on stage by the way, after nearly losing it all.)

      On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Class Warfare Blog wrote:



      Comment by Steve Ruis — November 2, 2017 @ 12:50 pm | Reply

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