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July 16, 2017

It Is Put Up or Shut Up Time for the Intelligent Design Movement

Filed under: Religion,Science — Steve Ruis @ 8:52 am
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As you may know the “Intelligent Design Theory” is just a second (third, fourth, … ?) generation form of Creationism. The people who created “ID” (it is not a theory by the way, at best it is an hypothesis) are folks who believe that God created the entire universe in only six days, about 6000 years ago or so and the science that says otherwise, aka “God’s Creation,” just has to be wrong.

The ID people spend most of their time criticizing the science of evolution (which claims we evolved and were not created magically), paleontology (which claims there is fossil and other evidence dating animals and humans back millions of years), geology (which claims that the Earth is over four billion years old), cosmology (which claims the universe is much older than our solar system), etc. but they do not seem to be motivated to answer questions on their own. These people are like colleagues who criticize your work but don’t do any work themselves.

So, it is put up or shut up time. Here are a few questions I would like to see the ID people answer. All are based upon their beliefs, primarily that God created everything about 6000 years ago. Also, since they argue that we cannot know the mind of God, I choose not to ask “why” so much as “how.”

  1. When God created all of the stars, how did he create the starlight so that it looks like it had been en route for billions of years? (Humans can start light beams and stop light beams, but not create a beam millions of light years long instantly.)
  2. When God created the Earth, He included the fossilized remains of animals that were not described in the Bible or any other historical source. How was this done, also why? (The answer “it was a test of faith” is specious because that would imply a knowledge of the mind of God.)
  3. There are animals on Earth that cannot be domesticated, nor are they good tasting or nutritious. How is it that they serve man’s dominion?
  4. When the Earth was created, radioactive elements were created alongside large quantities of their daughter products, thus creating the illusion that those minerals had been buried for millions if not billions of years. How was this done?
  5. Since all of the Earth’s creatures were created just 6000 years ago, why does all of the evidence in God’s creation point to them having evolved over a very much longer time period (3 billion years).
  6. Why does mitochondrial DNA point to a common modern human ancestor of all current humans (Mitochondrial Eve) who lived somewhere between 100,000 and 300,000 years ago?
  7. If the Earth was created 6000 years ago, why does the Earth exhibit geological layers of sediment that can only have taken place over a very long time. Many of these layers show extreme tilting and folding and contain the remains of plants and animals of bizarre domains (e.g. ferns near mountain tops)?
  8. If all of the Earth’s animals are descendant’s of the animals on Noah’s Ark, why does their DNA point back to common ancestors far farther in the past?
  9. In the Garden of Eden, what did the carnivores eat? If they ate the meat of other animals, then the GOE was a charnel house as all of the lions, tigers, and wolves mowed down all of sheep, cattle, and the rest of their kind. (Death was common in the GOE then.) If they ate grass, how were they converted into carnivores from herbivores in such a short time?

How about we collect a long list of such questions for the ID movement? Help the IDers by asking questions like the above. It seems that they are struggling to come up with a research agenda, let’s create on for them! Now, that’s creationism!

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  1. It’s my understanding that the IDers are Old Earth Creationists rather than Young Earth Creationists, since their creed requires the eons of time for naturalistic evolution in between the occasions when the Designer steps in to twiddle a few knobs — invent the bacterial flagellum or whatever.

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    Comment by realthog — July 16, 2017 @ 9:21 am | Reply

    • Nope, the IDers are not all old earth creationists, plus OEC’s have abandoned the source of their hypothesis, the Bible, which does not allow for such silliness.

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — July 16, 2017 @ 9:42 am | Reply

      • Yes, I’m sure you can find a few IDers who’re also YECs — obviously they won’t find the necessary cognitive dissonance too much of a challenge — but the basis of the “theory” rests on an Old Earth.

        I’m not sure about Dembski’s views on the subject, though. Before he sort of faded away from the ID pantheon (I wonder where he is now?) he began talking about being a biblical literalist, believing in Adam and Eve, etc., but whether he subscribed to YEC ideas (as you would have thought he inevitably must, given the rest) is something I’m less certain about.

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        Comment by realthog — July 16, 2017 @ 12:28 pm | Reply

        • I have a great deal of difficulty taking these people at face value. Their “theory” isn’t a theory and the development of ID as a smokescreen for Creationism is now well-documented.

          Nor can they come up with any reasonable theory when their answer for all of these questions is “because God did it that way,” which is no answer at all because they assume that things are the way they are their god wants them to be that way.

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          Comment by Steve Ruis — July 16, 2017 @ 12:40 pm | Reply

  2. Oh no! You sir are sounding like this old heathen, yep, me. These questions of yours will get you kicked out of every single xtian church known to humanity. You are of course questioning the supposed ultimate source of all things, real or imaginary, that is to say doG.
    While I do like dogs, I still like cats better. Sheep are OK for making woolen sweaters and other articles of clothing. I don’t really care that much for mutton, I will eat it on occasion, but it isn’t my favorite by a long shot.
    Man invented doG due to certain kids like I was back in my younger days. I was full of questions and I know I must have driven Dad to distraction at times. Way back, some poor old dad had a kid like I was, after little me (back then) asked his dad for the 10 millionth time why the sky looked to be blue, in exasperation the poor old dad said, in desperation, “because doG made it that color”. End of story as one cannot argue with doG.
    Oh, I ran across a good one on the net some time back, I forgot who posted it and that person may not have originated it. Here goes; “The world is in the mess it is in due to the idea that a very long time ago, two nudists took dietary advice from a talking snake.”
    One more thing Mr. Ruis, I DO talk too much, in person I’m even worse, or so they tell me. If I ramble on too long on your blog just tell me to keep my comments shorter. You won’t offend me. Honest

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    Comment by davidambrose66 — July 16, 2017 @ 10:29 am | Reply

    • You … talk too much? Sir, that is my crown and glory!

      And, you will note I was not challenging the creationists faith, I was merely asking *how* these things were done, asking them, as it were, to explain the greater power and glory of their god.

      They deny “magic” was involved, so the “how” question is viable … and respectful.

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — July 16, 2017 @ 10:55 am | Reply

  3. How was this done?

    That’s it. That’s the question. Present an explanatory model, please…

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    Comment by john zande — July 16, 2017 @ 10:45 am | Reply

    • Provide anything positive. All they every do is dis established science. How about creating some of their own, call it Christian Science. Now, that what be a religion! (What, you say it already is? Will wonders never cease? Ask and ye shall receive!)

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — July 16, 2017 @ 10:57 am | Reply

      • Ah, but they have: Irreducible Complexity

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        Comment by john zande — July 16, 2017 @ 11:10 am | Reply

        • Irreducible Imperviousness, what?

          (Talk about wishful thinking! Damn, if this were simpler I could understand it! Why does it have to be so complex?)

          Actually, I know who to blame for all of his being so complicated … you know … Him.

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          Comment by Steve Ruis — July 16, 2017 @ 11:40 am | Reply

  4. The answer is simple you heathen! “Who are you to question God?” Slam dunk, Case closed, move out and leave a donation at the door. To quote Tennyson, “Theirs not to reason why, theirs not to make reply…..”

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    Comment by Holding The Line In Florida — July 16, 2017 @ 10:52 am | Reply


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