Class Warfare Blog

July 5, 2017

Why Don’t Atheists Just Run Amok?

Filed under: Culture,Morality,Religion — Steve Ruis @ 8:38 pm
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One of the claims of god-fearers is that atheists are dangerous because they have no basis for their morals. Without a god to dictate what “being moral” is, and enforcing that moral code, there is just nothing stopping atheists from raping, looting, and killing, now, is there? I propose to explain why this is not the case, so that the god-fearers can understand.

This is just one point of many that can be made, like “It isn’t any fun,” but the primary reason that atheists don’t just run amok is that is just isn’t safe. Has anyone ever seen atheists run amok, specifically because their is no divine retribution, anyway? I have never heard of such a thing. I have read about numerous cases of bad treatment of people because they weren’t considered real people by the appropriate religious experts, but no amok running, per se.

Getting back to my main point: running amok ain’t safe. Let’s start with a hypothetical situation: a beautiful woman lives on an atheist’s block. If he were to go rape her, I mean, what could go wrong? For one, she may be a martial arts or MMA expert and she may beat the shit out of him. Or she may have a brother, father, uncle or other relative who owns a baseball bat and they may beat the shit out of him. (We have made this an element of society in the form of law enforcement. In Chicago, cops regularly beat the shit out of people, and shoot them, and then drag what’s left in for a trial.)

Obviously there is a great deal of downside to this running amok. When word got around, you could lose your job. Other people would shun you for being an asshole, etc. So, let’s say you embrace the badass nature of amok running, plus you are not a dumb atheist, but a smart one. You realize that to be able to run amok without negative consequences, you need a gang of atheists. There is safety in numbers, it takes a village, etc. So, you gather a gang, all ravening atheists, who form a mutual protection society. You go rape some woman and a male relative of hers takes offense and a baseball bat and comes looking for you and … Bob’s your uncle, you have a dozen guys there to greet him when he shows up. Easy peasey. But the problem with this approach is there is nothing stopping the aggrieved members of society from forming an even bigger gang and beating the shit out of your gang and you, of course.

Such behaviors: bullying, running amok, etc. only “succeed” in the short turn. Eventually you get the shit beaten out of you, or dead. (Ask Saddam Hussein or Muammar Gaddafi.)

So, the real reason why atheists just don’t run amok is that running amok is a lot of work and it just isn’t safe. Get along with people, treat them well, and you will lead a better life. This running amok idea may sound good to you, but it sounds miserable to us. It just isn’t any fun, you see.

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15 Comments »

  1. Why not run amok? Umm… good reasons? Dozens and dozens of good reasons? Well, perish the thought.

    I am always amazed by those who present non belief to be a moral concern, a moral vacuum, that they don’t seem to grasp that what they’re really saying is that the only thing keeping believers from running amok is obedience to their god! That’s not a reason; that’s acting on a base fear …of that god’s ‘just’ retribution if they are disobedient. The believer is actually trying to argue that morality must be predicated on regulated fear of punishment. And that’s so patently childish and simplistic that it’s a marvel this idea seems to have gained traction as a ‘reasonable’ model when it has nothing to do with reasoning and everything to do with the base emotion of fear.

    Comment by tildeb — July 6, 2017 @ 7:38 am | Reply

    • Even as interesting, most people’s moral compass is established before they understand anything about gods or divine punishment (roughly kindergarten age). That is just a veneer applied atop the societal morays of one’s time.

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — July 6, 2017 @ 8:27 am | Reply

      • Of course it is… and this easily demonstrable by determining which bits of scripture are moral and which bits are best left on the junk pile of antiquity.

        Comment by tildeb — July 6, 2017 @ 9:30 am | Reply

  2. Well I was about to take off and run amok, but then I read this and decided it just wasn’t worth the trouble…

    Just another, of many, religious canards with no basis in reality. Ask any believer, they will demonstrate their conditioning by telling you how terrible those running amok atheists are. It gets pounded into their heads every fucking Sunday.

    Comment by shelldigger — July 6, 2017 @ 9:15 am | Reply

  3. This question often makes me wonder whether theists are bottles of pure mayhem and violence being contained only by the threat of some outerworldly punishment.

    Comment by john zande — July 6, 2017 @ 10:53 am | Reply

    • Clearly this is just a manifestation of an authoritarian mindset, no? The church encourages obedience to authority, especially, ahem, theirs. If one thinks that way then one needs an authority to cleave to, no? If one isn’t “obeying orders, then one is off the reservation and untrustworthy and may just … yes, run amok!

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — July 6, 2017 @ 11:11 am | Reply

      • But it seems these thoughts (urges?) to mayhem are there inside these people. I have no such urge to mayhem, but I worry about my thesitic friends.

        Comment by john zande — July 6, 2017 @ 11:32 am | Reply

        • Aw, c’mon, John not even a wee bit of running amok envy?

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          Comment by Steve Ruis — July 6, 2017 @ 1:08 pm | Reply

  4. Well, as an atheist you can’t repent, you can’t ever be forgiven for your sins, and you know that other people aren’t going to any better world after this one, so that has to be helping do the right thing the first time.

    Comment by List of X — July 6, 2017 @ 12:56 pm | Reply

    • Or … we need to run amok before our time runs out … Amok Now! Amok Now! Amok Now! (What? Francis Ford Coppala has trademarked that phrase and I can’t use it? Drat!)

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — July 6, 2017 @ 1:10 pm | Reply

  5. I think the biggest mistake in the why-don’t-atheists-run-amuk argument is treating morality as if it were a math problem to begin with. Morality simply isn’t an argument formula. It’s not a function of getting from a premise to a conclusion.

    Comment by danielwalldammit — July 7, 2017 @ 3:41 pm | Reply

  6. For thousands of years, Hinduism had a branch of people who are called Nastik(A person who doesn’t believe that god exixts) and there is no moral code of conduct for people, yet Hinduism is one of the most tolerant religion in the world. I can’t understand why Abrahamic religions think that religion gives human morality, being a human gives human morality, religion might as well reduce the morality of human than adding to it, as evident in holy wars, terrorism and stoning people to death.

    Comment by animeindianphilospher — July 13, 2017 @ 11:06 am | Reply


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