Class Warfare Blog

April 9, 2017

Inquiring Theists Want to Know!

Theist apologists are always coming up with questions for atheists, kind of like the questions Catholic kids come up with for their Catechism teachers, e.g. “If God is all-powerful can he create a rock so big even he can’t lift it, Father?” Here is one of the latest:

Without a personal Creator-God, how are you anything other than the coincidental, purposeless miscarriage of nature, spinning round and round on a lonely planet in the blackness of space for just a little while before you and all memory of your futile, pointless, meaningless life finally blinks out forever in the endless darkness?”

Gosh, as an announced atheist, this makes me want to go slit my wrists, but I am laughing too hard to undertake that task with any skill, so I will just tackle this question first.

Underneath all of the snark embedded in this “question,” is a feeling of superior knowledge, that the questioner knows that without his creator god, life is just futile. (None of the other creator gods will do, don’t you know.)

So, “a coincidental, purposeless miscarriage of nature,” hmm. Well, I can’t be a miscarriage because I actually was born, but coincidental, I’ll own up to that. My parent’s believed in planning their family and I was the third of the two children they planned, so, coincidental I am.

Now, “spinning round and round on a lonely planet in the blackness of space.” I can detect no spinning. There is a gym nearby that offers spinning but I do not subscribe for that. The planet is “lonely,” that I do not get. The solar system has eight major planets, some minor planets, and myriad moons, etc. This guy makes it sound like there is the Sun and the Earth and little else. He must be reading his Bible. Maybe he means that I am lonely. Well, if I am, then I am very picky regarding having friends with over seven billion other humans to chose from, plus myriad other non-human companions I could entice to come live with me (for free room and board). No, I am not lonely; he got that wrong.

“In the blackness of space?” We seem to be quite well adapted to the light-dark cycles on our planet. The Scandehoovians who experience almost no “dark” during the winter go a little batty behind that, so “dark” is apparently a good thing for us. I like looking up at the dark sky and seeing all of the pretty lights, so not really dark at all, so he got this wrong, too.

But, yes, in a little while (littler all of the time) I shall die and kinda-sorta be forgotten. I still remember my parents and grandparents and other deceased relatives, so I expect to remain in memory of my younger relatives for some time. I am named in a family genealogy that goes back to the 1700’s and am recorded in a number of diverse histories, so will be “remembered” that way to some extent, and I have written close to a dozen books, which will remain available for a very long time, possibly many decades, but really I will not give a shit as I will be dead.

I have to ask, are all of those people supposedly in Heaven and Hell enjoying their immortality? Are they “remembered” by the living? Is not everyone remembered by your God who cannot forget anything (otherwise He would not be all-knowing), so is not everyone, in your world view, remembered forever and ever? Very puzzling attitude then for for you, a believer, to have.

And “your futile, pointless, meaningless life finally blinks out forever in the endless darkness.” I am looking forward to the endless blackness, far preferable to the Lake of Fire you promise my kind. But where do you get “futile,” and “pointless,” and “meaningless” from? Are you saying that because you are a Christian, your life is automatically not futile, not pointless, and not meaningless? If so, you are going to have to provide some details. What is your purpose in life? If it is to end up in Heaven at the side of your God, isn’t that a little self-serving? It sounds a lot like “I am going to get mine and the rest of you can go roast in Hell.” Many of your ilk tell us that good deeds will not get us into Heaven, but faith will, so you exalt people who do not do good deeds by have faith over people who lack faith, like me, who do good deeds. Sounds a lot like “I am going to get mine and the rest of you can go roast in Hell.” It also sounds as if you believe that your God has a plan for you. (He believes in family planning, unlike our current GOP.) Can you tell me what your plan is so I can see whether or not you are meeting your quarterly goals? No? Another thing I just have to take on faith, I guess.

And, last, regarding “meaning” as applied to one’s life. Meaning is something that is created in the hearts, minds, and words of others. You can read about the meaning of people’s lives in Wikipedia, for example. These meanings are divined, if you will allow the use of that word, from others observing our deeds. So, one creates the meaning of one’s life by doing. I can live with that.

And, I can die with that.

 

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11 Comments »

  1. Steve: I followed your link from the Curmudgeon’s site. Excellent response!

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    Comment by abeastwood — April 9, 2017 @ 9:34 am | Reply

    • Thanks, sometimes the Curmudg’s site gets a little repetitive but I have been following him for years because of the tidbits he (and his minions) seem to find. This was one of them.

      Cheers

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — April 9, 2017 @ 10:13 am | Reply

    • i came here by the same way and I fully second your motion!

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      Comment by Hans-Richard Grümm — April 12, 2017 @ 3:52 am | Reply

  2. One of your better posts! ❤

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    Comment by Nan — April 9, 2017 @ 4:12 pm | Reply

    • High praise from the praiseworthy!

      On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Class Warfare Blog wrote:

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — April 9, 2017 @ 8:11 pm | Reply

  3. I was the third of the two children they planned… Golden!

    I’m hoping this miserable lonely world has many, many neighbours we’ll meet one day.

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    Comment by john zande — April 9, 2017 @ 6:25 pm | Reply

    • I am counting on it. I put Sao Paulo on my bucket list of places to see before I go.

      On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Class Warfare Blog wrote:

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — April 9, 2017 @ 8:11 pm | Reply

  4. But the path to you goes through SP, no?

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    Comment by Steve Ruis — April 10, 2017 @ 7:56 am | Reply

  5. I get so tired of the canned questions, I have to admit I get kind of cranky with theists on occasion. The script just gets so old.

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    Comment by danielwalldammit — April 25, 2017 @ 2:33 pm | Reply

    • It is all they know. When you don’t really put in the study, the best you can do is work off of scripts prepared by someone else. And the script preparers don’t seem to know much either.

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — April 25, 2017 @ 2:39 pm | Reply


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