Class Warfare Blog

February 27, 2017

What Are Your Views on Abortion?

A recent piece in the N.Y. Times pointed out that in a recent survey of views on abortion, just over half of all American women want to see further restrictions on abortion. The piece also chastised “feminists” for ignoring this fact.

As far as I am concerned, both parties and their opinions can go take a flying leap.

In my opinion, having an abortion … or not …. is an intensely personal decision and the opinions of the rest of society just do not matter. In order for them to matter, the issue would have to involve one in which there was a profound societal interest. We are talking about birthing new citizens here. If we had a profound worker shortage or a severe lack of people available to serve in the military, I would recognize a significant societal interest. But we are up to our assess in people and no such interest exists. The only reason there is an abortion issue is that there is a morality issue.

There is an axiom that “you cannot legislate morals,” but we keep trying, idiots that we are. The danger here is if we do insist that there is a profound societal interest, we open a box of snakes. The only form that interest could take would be a population based one (morals aren’t addressed in the Constitution). If we take “action” in the form of policy, say an anti-abortion policy, we are essentially saying we have the right to force women to bear children. A short step away are laws restricting the uses of contraception. Neither of these kinds of policies touch the American experiment where it lives. These are totalitarian policies and are supported only by totalitarian religions.

If a pregnant woman is considering an abortion, the decision is a very emotional, personal decision. She is not deciding to “never have children.” She is not deciding to restrict the number she will have. But if we collectively were to force her to have this baby after she decided she did not want it, the emotional scars from that action may affect those possibilities and how would that serve the societal interest? And who wants there to be more unwanted children in the world? The impact on the child is rarely mentioned by the anti-abortion zealots, other than to describe an abortion as a murder. Once the child is brought to term it can go fuck itself for all of the anti crowd cares.

Much of the anti-abortion fever, I believe, is fueled by people wanting “others” to be responsible for their actions. The punishment for a young girl exploring sex and getting pregnant (made unsafe by the same politics as the antis espouse) is to be forced to bear that child and raise it, possibly forestalling any hopes she had for her own life and possibly truncating any positive future for that child. “That will teach her not to be promiscuous.” (Is there any evidence that this form of “discipline” works?)

If a woman is contemplating an abortion, the best thing we can do is get out of the way. If we are close to her, offer support, share your opinion if that is requested, but get out of the way. And stop recommending laws to restrict peoples actions in these personal decisions.

How would you like it if you are told you have heart disease, but the procedure that could cure you and save your life has been condemned as immoral and made illegal. (It involves the use of stem cells.) How would you feel if laws were passed that operations were immoral as they denied the healing powers of God? Do not let totalitarian religions determine our social policies. Only when there is a demonstrated significant societal interest should we intervene. Child abuse, spousal abuse, poverty, hunger, homelessness: there are so many problems of this sort that have societal interests and citizens involved that deserve our attention. In the absence of such an interest, as in the case of the “legality” of abortions, we should get out of the way and reinforce our belief in individual action. To do otherwise is to extend the totalitarian aspects of these religions to our collective agreements with one another.

PS Pop Quiz Can you tell from the graph what year abortion was made legal in the US? (If not legal abortions do not affect population growth and there can not be a societal interest in them.)

united-states-population

(Answer to Pop Quiz: It was 1973.)

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6 Comments »

  1. Your best and strongest statement: having an abortion … or not …. is an intensely personal decision and the opinions of the rest of society just do not matter.

    I am a zealous supporter of abortion for one reason and one reason only … it is the right of the pregnant woman to make that decision because she is the ONLY one who will live with the action. This is not to say the “father” doesn’t plays a role, but when all is said and done, it is the woman who goes through the procedure and who must deal with any emotional issues that may arise.

    Thank you for this post. What you wrote needs to be repeated again and again and again.

    P.S. I also felt your mention of the use of stem cells (which so many are also against) was a great comparison.

    Comment by Nan — February 27, 2017 @ 12:00 pm | Reply

    • I would hope in a loving relationship that both father and mother would jointly make the momentous decision, including any other’s whose advice they desire. If it comes down to a difference of opinion, I think the man should accede to the woman for the reasons you state. Like the old joke about the ham and egg breakfast: the chicken made a contribution, the pig a commitment. The woman is bearing 98+% of the responsibility for the process (up to birth) and so should have that much weight in the decision.

      The slippery slope of public policy on this issue is real. Was in not in the 2013 presidential campaign in which one of the candidates stated his opposition to birth control (Rick Santorum) and that didn’t get him laughed off of the stage. I used to sate that if there were to be an abortion policy, men shouldn’t get a vote. Now, as you can see, I do not think anyone should.

      I do not like to call myself “pro-abortion” because nobody should be pro abortion. Being pro-choice make sense to me. Leave it to the people invoved to choose the path they want to take. If you are anti-abortion, do not have one. It is that simple.

      On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Class Warfare Blog wrote:

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — February 27, 2017 @ 12:25 pm | Reply

  2. Very nicely put. The simple fact is this: until full bilateral synchronisation (week 28) there simply isn’t a human organism. Period.

    Comment by john zande — February 28, 2017 @ 12:33 pm | Reply

    • This is a little like the case for or against free will. You are better off with a clean dividing line and birth is a good one. The Japanese waited six days before naming a new child because so many died. So we could pick a line before or after the time of birth but … (With regard to free will, we are better off “believing” in it for the purposes of accountability and justice in a free society. Otherwise it hardly matters.)

      On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Class Warfare Blog wrote:

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — February 28, 2017 @ 1:14 pm | Reply

      • The Jews waited until the majority of the head was out, and only then were rights bestowed.

        Comment by john zande — February 28, 2017 @ 2:42 pm | Reply

        • Was there a spot where the soul got inserted in the little beastie? Leave it to the Jews to state a spot in a birth in which a bow child is granted rights exceeding those of the mother birthing it.

          Every child I have been close to post birth had its very own personality.

          On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Class Warfare Blog wrote:

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          Comment by Steve Ruis — February 28, 2017 @ 2:45 pm | Reply


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