Class Warfare Blog

February 19, 2017

Has Our Logic Function Been Disabled?

There has been quite a flutter about a comment coming from Kyrie Irving, the All-Star guard of the NBA’s Cleveland Cavaliers. According to Mr. Irving: “This is not even a conspiracy theory,” he said. “The Earth is flat. The Earth is flat. It’s right in front of our faces. I’m telling you, it’s right in front of our faces. They lie to us.

Why this is upsetting to many is beyond my comprehension. My thinking goes like this:
#1 Mr. Irving makes well over $1,000,000 for less than a year’s work and has for quite some time.
#2 That makes Mr. Irving a Republican.
#3 Therefore Mr. Irving believes:
• the Earth is flat
• Climate Change is a hoax perpetrated by greedy scientists
• the Earth is only 6000 years old
• autism is caused by vaccinations, and that
• Donald Trump is a bright, successful businessman.
All of the facts being to the contrary, all of these must be true because “they” lie to us.

This is believable because … Fox News. (Apparently “they” does not include Fox News.)

So, why are people shocked? I do not understand.

 

 

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20 Comments »

  1. Yes, there are still flat earthers among us. And they vote.

    Never seen a pic from the space station I guess?

    Comment by shelldigger — February 19, 2017 @ 12:38 pm | Reply

    • Fake! All fake! Pictures from space? Doctored images! Just like the lunar landing. And the earth’s age? Again, fake! All fake! Autism? Of course it’s caused by vaccinations. Anyone that says it isn’t is spreading fake evidence!

      But Donald? Never fake. True blue. Successful … SMART … businessman who will lead us to a bigger and better ‘Murica!

      Comment by Nan — February 19, 2017 @ 1:22 pm | Reply

    • I know a guy who is a flat earther. My question to him was “do you have any idea how many people would have to be complicit in a conspiracy big enough to gull multiple world governments and multi billion dollar industries into investing in a scam? And what would they ultimately achieve by doing so?
      He refuses to accept photos from space as real. He has this giant gap in his ability to comport with reality. I don’t get it. OH, and he’s not religious.

      Comment by persedeplume — February 19, 2017 @ 2:53 pm | Reply

  2. John Oliver did a brilliant piece on this (contemporary) circle of stupidity.

    Comment by john zande — February 19, 2017 @ 5:50 pm | Reply

    • And it is obvious why all celestial bodies show up as circles in photographs … because made the flat disks to face the center of the universe … us. It couldn’t possibly be because they are round.

      On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Class Warfare Blog wrote:

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — February 19, 2017 @ 9:18 pm | Reply

  3. I ask the same question every day– “has our logic function been disabled?” As a medical professional, I see red whenever I hear or see talk about the “anti-vaccine” idea. I seriously do believe that a vast majority of society’s logic is at best skewed by the power of a celebrity’s opinion. “Wow, he’s a great actor and a fine person because of the roles he chooses to play in.” I have heard this, sadly, too often from friends and family. How do you know this celebrity is a fine person? Run that by me again? Where is this person’s science degree? Is this person a medical doctor? Why do celebrities have more sway over public opinion than people who have spent over half of their lives dedicated to academia, teaching, and practice in their profession (doctor/scientist/engineer etc.)? I’m as frustrated as a pyromaniac in a petrified forest. That’s not my quote.

    Comment by marliesvonn — February 20, 2017 @ 11:43 am | Reply

    • It is also depressing that there was been such penetration into common sense from oddball fact peddlers. This is another “benefit” of the Internet I am afraid.

      The simple fact that the Earth looked pretty much like we envisioned in the form of the globes we had in our school rooms when we finally got rockets to go high enough to take pictures apparently escaped these morons. Although I can remember being puzzled as a child at first and it was because there were no lines! No lines of latitude and longitude and political borders. That should be a lesson for us all, but it didn’t phase us, we are still fixated by “others.”

      On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Class Warfare Blog wrote:

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — February 20, 2017 @ 12:10 pm | Reply

    • Can someone explain to me why the govt. insures the vaccine industry. Why do the insurance companies allow the govt. to take away their chance to make a profit on underwriting the risk of vaccines. This is pure socialism. What is going on with the need to change the rules of product liability for this one class of drug. Can it be that the risk experts, ie. the insurance industry, consider the risk of vaccine liability is too great at any price? All you “medical professionals” that carry on with the dogma that any health problem is a deficiency of some patented chemical and that it is a good idea to inject who-knows-what into newborn babies are going to have some explaining to do if the “logic function” ever gets turned back on.

      Comment by aubreyenoch — February 23, 2017 @ 10:10 am | Reply

      • Thank you for bringing this important topic to the table. Over the last three hours, I have been reading through at least 10 different credible academic journal articles related to your question. I found the subject matter to be very interesting and will include some of my research and articles in my Continuing Competence Program, as it is important to continually improve my knowledge as it relates to my practice as a “medical professional.” Medical knowledge is continuously advancing and it’s important to the safety of my patients that I stay current and grow my knowledge and skills accordingly. If you are sincere in your interest on the subject of the economics of the vaccine industry, both in Canada and the United States (as there are other countries in the world), I will explain it to you. If you are simply interested in arguing, I will not respond.

        Comment by marliesvonn — February 23, 2017 @ 1:18 pm | Reply

  4. Financing immunization of adults in the United States. Hinman, Alan R.; Orenstein, Walter A.; Rodewald, Lance. Clinical Infectious Diseases. Vol. 38(10), 1440-1446.
    Subjects: Immunization of children; Vaccines; Public health; Medical policy; Immunization; United States; Administration of Public Health Programs; Health and Welfare Funds; Drugs and Druggists’ Sundries Merchant Wholesalers; Pharmaceutical and medicine manufacturing.

    This is a short introductory article, in case you might be interested. You may have difficulty finding it online, unless of course you are a “medical professional” who has special access to online academic journals.

    Comment by marliesvonn — February 23, 2017 @ 1:43 pm | Reply

  5. There has been much written about the amount of research that has been published in scientific journels and then with drawn as not factual in the last year. So there seems to be all sorts of data saying what ever anyone wants to prove. The fact is that the insurance industry has passed on the underwriting of vaccines. They are mandated by law to conduct their business in such a way as to make a profit for their investors. If they could see a way to make money underwriting vaccines they would not have allowed the govt. to assume the liability. There are other drugs that are subject to the normal rules of product liability and the pharmaceutical companies are liable for damages. They presumably have liability insurance to cover those drugs.
    Explain why there is a special case for vaccines. I’m not interested in the economics of the vaccine industry. I interested in the protecting my grandchildren. (And thanks very much for informing me that there are other countries in the world).
    A report from Johns Hopkins last year said that medical errors are the third leading cause of death in the U.S. accounting for over 250,000 deaths. Explain why I should follow the advice of a group that kills a quarter of a million people a year with their application of medical dogma instead of believing the risk experts that refuse to except the liability for vaccine damage at any price.
    If it is arguing to take a pass on all the jargon in the “academic journals, then just explain why the insurance industry doesn’t treat vaccines like other drugs and analyze the risk and price the premiums and make the money.

    Comment by aubreyenoch — February 23, 2017 @ 8:31 pm | Reply

  6. You are not interested in the economics of the vaccine industry and how that, in turn, affects our health? Vaccines are bad business because they cost too much. Insurance companies have to pay more per dose than the government for vaccines. As in they don’t make enough money. There are many other factors that influence the reason why the insurance companies vs. the government assume the cost. If you had read my article instead of arguing like a petulant little child, you would have gotten that. Prove that the article I cited has been withdrawn as not factual. I think I have proved my point here to everyone that you are simply another oddball fact peddler with a big temper. I do not see logic anywhere in your argument. You just want an explanation RIGHT NOW, you stomp and stamp your feet and scream like a little baby until you get what you want with no effort. So I think I’ve proven the point that the original poster was making. Trying to argue with a flat-earther with logic and science is like trying to calm a screaming baby. Yes, indeed, the logic function of our society has largely been disabled. It’s actually sad.

    Comment by marliesvonn — February 24, 2017 @ 1:24 am | Reply

    • The usual name calling when one has no logical position. My question is simple. Why do we have the NVCIA if vaccines do not pose risks? The “sad” part is to think that this person might have a position where he gets to impose the medical dogma on unsuspecting parents.

      Comment by aubreyenoch — February 24, 2017 @ 9:33 am | Reply

      • Why not try a holiday in Sweden this year? See all the loveli lakes. A moose once bit my sister. The world is flat. All vaccines kill people. Everyone with a medical degree is stupid and intentionally harms their patients. All of us. Doctors, nurses, dentists, pharmaceutical people, even that lovely pharmacy assistant at your drive through pharmacy. Did you know that every February 28th we go to some underground cave and sacrifice a baby to Satan? See that’s how we get our power. Ever want to know where all those crack addicted babies in the hospital go? Now you know. But, knowledge counts for nothing. But the Dark Lord Satan is our master and He controls everyone. There is a plan for the systematic depopulation of the world and I’m in on it along with all the medical, legal, financial, and business sectors. Be very afraid! Every single entertainer out there is part of the Illuminati. The CIA is the largest importer of cocaine in the world. Chemtrails are what make us sick. See the loveli lakes [spelling mistake intentional]. Those responsible for the fault in the subtitles have been sacked. There is a colony on the dark side of the moon. I know it’s true because I saw someone say on the internet that it was true. Sorry. Those responsible for sacking the people responsible for the fault in the subtitles have now been sacked.

        Comment by marliesvonn — February 24, 2017 @ 12:01 pm | Reply

  7. It’s amusing to me that you asked a question that DIRECTLY relates to economics and then state you are not interested in economics. #idiocracy

    Comment by marliesvonn — February 24, 2017 @ 1:32 am | Reply

  8. Reblogged this on White Padded Room and commented:
    I think this commentary by a blogger I highly respect is worth a read:

    Comment by marliesvonn — February 24, 2017 @ 1:37 am | Reply

  9. Okay, it looks like an intervention is needed here. I was going to say something clever like “get a room” but the topic is too serious for that. It looks as if each of you will not convince the other so shall we call this conversation “unproductive” and move on.

    The critical issue here is that there exist no evidentiary rules that are acceptable to all of the general populace. This I believe has been caused by the rapid communication ability provided by the Internet and a fundamentalist religious community that opposes the findings of science as conflicting with their dogmas and have therefore decided to not trust “experts.” This has left us with quite a mess. For example, it is true that way more hospital deaths occur than is desired. We also know how to prevent those deaths. There are a number of cases in which hospitals became economically inviable and closed their doors because they were derived of the income from unnecessary procedures. Economic and moral interests do not often align. Similarly, we can establish that many EPA regulations actually result in a positive return on their investment. But people with political ideologies who do not like being told what to do oppose those regulations, even though they are net positives to society, because they are not net positives for their particular business.

    Not all science denialism stems from economic interests or religious interests but I would wager than the bulk of the denialism is due one of the two. It used to be a rule of politics that if you wanted to understand a political stance, you needed to “follow the money.” I think this applies to most fields of endeavor now. Science fields are being co-opted by commercial sponsorships (or trying to be). Publically-funded research is being used for proprietary interests with the public squeezed out.

    There is a lot to discuss her, having the two of you hammer each other is not advancing any of those discussions.

    Comment by Steve Ruis — February 24, 2017 @ 12:17 pm | Reply

  10. While he seems to be not very bright in terms of his Flat Earth belief, I believe his point was that it’s completely bizarre that anyone is asking him this, and then that it’s become a social media conversation to even talk about it, just because he’s a basketball player. Like, Why the hell does anyone even care what I think? he seems to say….I’m not a scientist, I have my beliefs, I guess if you want to talk about it, whatever, but that’s kind of a phenomenon that people ARE talking about what Kyrie thinks.

    Comment by Marca Tanner Brewington — February 24, 2017 @ 1:41 pm | Reply

    • I don’t think you can apply a label on his “smarts” because he has a crazy-assed belief. If you just look around … uncritically … the Earth looks quite flat (not counting the lumps and bumps). But I suspect that schools are spending less and less time on things that were common when I was a child, years ago. Cartoons tell us that when “Columbus sailed the ocean blue …” most people thought the earth was flat. This may actually be true, but most people hadn’t critically entertained the idea. Sailors once though the earth was flat and they could sail off the edge, but sailors, not the brightest segment of their society, cam to the conclusion the world was round before Columbus’s time, by observing that as a ship sailed east on a clear day, the hull disappeared before the mast, which can only be explained by the ship sailing around a curved surface. I suspect that these things are no longer taught in school because “everybody knows” the earth is round. How we know what we know is, I think, an important aspect of an education.

      Plus, when I was a kid, only cartoons continued the “Earth is flat” meme. Now there are slick Internet sites devoted to promoting the topic (why I do not know, probably fun and giggles). These sites look as credible as actual education sites, so it is really hard to tell.

      Plus, nobody on those sites is asking why the Earth and all of the planets and stars are round in photos (they can’t all be face on to us, can they?) … Photoshop? Nor are they asking pointed questions about the Earth revolving on its axis to make days and nights which would make for some serious fun if the earth were disk shaped, etc. The problem is that these opinions are uncritically formed and hence should be dismissed … if the people having these “opinions” weren’t prominent sports figures or actors, etc. no one would pay any attention at all.

      Comment by Steve Ruis — February 24, 2017 @ 2:15 pm | Reply


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