Class Warfare Blog

December 17, 2016

And, the Difference Is … ?

Does Russia have hackers?

Yes.

Does the U.S. have hackers?

Yes.

Does the Russian government employ hackers?

Yes.

Does the U.S. government employ hackers?

Yes.

Does Russia safeguard it’s national interests?

Yes.

Does the U.S. safeguard it’s national interests?

Yes.

And, the difference is … ?

Oh, I get it. we are the “good guys!” And they, they must therefore be the “bad guys.” It isn’t enough that we have real problems: environmentally, economically, etc. we also need to have a political enemies list, like President Nixon, to fuel efforts to … to …

 

 

 

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8 Comments »

  1. I’ve been thinking about that. Clearly, the US has interfered in many elections in the past…it’s only breathtaking double standard (or ignorance) that allows people to ignore that detail

    Comment by Tim...Stepping Out — December 17, 2016 @ 9:40 am | Reply

    • We are the Masters of the Double Standard! We never look in mirrors (maybe we have vampire roots) and we never look to other countries for examples of paths forward. We are the leader, damn it, and we are out in front, so we choose the path! What applies to all those lesser beings does not apply to us because we are exceptional! I hope you are taking notes, there will be a quiz.

      And I am agog at how much your are writing and studying your own topic. Do you have a job other than that?

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — December 17, 2016 @ 9:52 am | Reply

  2. Is your point that because we interfere in other elections, it’s okay for Russia to interfere in ours?
    Personally, I don’t think either is ok, and because one is happening doesn’t make it a good reason for another.
    Besides, Russia’s ruling party rigs its own elections like the Republicans can’t even dream to accomplish, and I don’t want the Republicans getting any ideas because Russia does it, too.

    Comment by List of X — December 17, 2016 @ 11:13 am | Reply

    • No, the point is hypocrisy. Actually, I think it will be found that the GOPs anti-democratic voter suppression program was far more effective than any Russian effort. Plus, do we have Free Speech or do we not? A visitor to the U.S. has many “rights” according to the Constitution and law even though they are not citizens. Binyamin Netanyahu gets to stand up in front of our Congress and lie all he wants. So, I am reacting to a sense that Russia somehow controlled the outcome of the election. I thik their impact, if there was any really, was almost nil. That they might have been trying to avoid a Clinton presidency is believable, that they somehow hacked the election is not.

      I think Trump won because people were not going to vote for the status quo in large numbers. And Republican political strategy plus Democratic Party ineptitude provided them with an Electoral College pathway to the presidency.

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — December 17, 2016 @ 11:29 am | Reply

      • I am in total agreement. Many people I talked to couldn’t understand a Trump victory. I was more pessimistic. I said he would win because alot of us couldn’t believe the absolute disgust the people viewed our Government. “Change we could believe in became, change what change?” Or as The Who said, “meet the new boss, same as the old boss”. Obama became the great disappointment. Sure we could put it in Republican pig headiness, but not really. The ruling class hasn’t changed. Clinton was the same old same old. Trump promised something new. Oh yes it is something new, just not what the dissatisfied masses will want in the end. Still, I hope that Trump is really as dumb as he seems. Otherwise he could be really dangerous! It is Pence I am worried about. That boy is crazy!

        Comment by Holding The Line In Florida — December 18, 2016 @ 12:03 am | Reply

        • Trump is a master of the GOP weakness, overplaying the hand they are dealt. I hope Trump comes up with every crazy-ass idea his minions seem to have and tries to push them. One caveat, though, is that this feeds into the GOP’s campaign to undermine the public’s trust in government per se. Will they trust anyone to fix problems after the coming Trump debacle? Is Trump the GOP’s weapon of mass destruction of federal government?

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          Comment by Steve Ruis — December 18, 2016 @ 8:54 am | Reply

  3. Payback for Trump trying to delegitimise Obama’s presidency. Didn’t win the popular vote and the Russians helped him over the line… It doesn’t look good.

    Comment by john zande — December 18, 2016 @ 5:23 am | Reply

    • I have yet to see how the “Russian’s” or, indeed, all foreigners skewed the outcome (X votes from here, Y votes from there). I think the Russian card and the playing of it is part of the “see the shiny bits” strategy of the plutocrats to distract us from what is really going on. (The plutocrats don’t necessary make this shit up, but they are gleeful when the public latches onto one.)

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      Comment by Steve Ruis — December 18, 2016 @ 8:56 am | Reply


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