Class Warfare Blog

March 7, 2014

Hypocrisy 101

La Rochefoucault said “Hypocrisy is the compliment vice pays to virtue.” This is embodied by the current debate here in the U.S. surrounding the Russian incursion into Crimea. Basically American politicians are running around saying something along the lines of “American good, Russia bad,” except, well, the Fox (sic) News crowd who have a man crush on President Vladimir Putin, a man’s dictator if there ever was one.

Hello?

The U.S. is the country that came up with the Monroe Doctrine, a principle first espoused in 1823 (unilaterally, of course) that basically said “Hands off our hemisphere” to the then European world powers. In practice, according to Noam Chomsky, “the Monroe Doctrine has functioned as a declaration of hegemony and a right of unilateral intervention over the Americas.”

So for 150 years or so we used this spurious doctrine to justify our intervening, overtly and covertly, any damn where we wanted in our hemisphere for any damn reason.

Russia is exerting that same right regarding countries contiguous to itself . . . and in their hemisphere. Outrage! Outrage! They can’t do that!

Only we can do that.

Can you spell hypocrisy, boys and girls?

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46 Comments »

  1. Just as atheists think the universe happened all by itself, leftists think that peace and prosperity happen all by itself.

    Kicking ass and taking tames with regards to monsters like Saddam Hussein and Vlad Putin is the only way to achieve peace.

    There is nothing wrong with America, global hyperpower, smashing Communist revolutionaries in the Americas.

    That’s because there is nothing wrong with America looking out for it own interests.

    Comment by silenceofmind — March 7, 2014 @ 9:13 am | Reply

    • Then I guess there is nothing wrong with Russia looking out for its own interests.
      And I agree, the way to achieve a lasting peace would be to nuke Russia, so they nuke us back, together we’ll wipe out all of humankind. But there will be peace.

      Comment by List of X — March 7, 2014 @ 10:09 am | Reply

      • The “Save the Earth” people might agree as the only real threat to our continued existence is … us. (Pogo was right!)

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        Comment by stephenpruis — March 7, 2014 @ 10:13 am | Reply

        • Steve,

          As an atheist, you believe in evolution.

          If evolution is true, why would Mother Nature evolve a creature that would destroy its own mother.

          So either evolution is not a valid theory or the notion that mankind is a threat to nature is absurd.

          Comment by silenceofmind — March 7, 2014 @ 12:30 pm | Reply

          • Once the children are born, evolution has no further use for the mothers. Simple.

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            Comment by stephenpruis — March 7, 2014 @ 1:44 pm | Reply

            • Steven,

              You can’t be serious.

              That you don’t appreciate all the effort your mother put into you, not to mention all her love, is a testament to hubris.

              Comment by silenceofmind — March 7, 2014 @ 1:46 pm | Reply

              • Once again, you are off topic. You asked about evolution, not me. Do you revel in being off topic or are you just incapable of staying on topic?

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                Comment by stephenpruis — March 7, 2014 @ 1:49 pm | Reply

                • Steve,

                  I didn’t ask about evolution. I used it to make a point that the notion that man is somehow a danger to nature is totally ridiculous.

                  And allowing atheists to demonstrate in their own words how totally ridiculous are every single one of their ideas, is never off topic.

                  Someone who says that mothers are useless after they give birth can’t be taken seriously.

                  Comment by silenceofmind — March 7, 2014 @ 1:53 pm | Reply

                  • They are useless to evolution, which is a process. I am useless at a quilting bee, you are useless at blogging, it doesn’t mean we have no other utility.

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                    Comment by stephenpruis — March 7, 2014 @ 2:02 pm | Reply

                    • Steve,

                      Mothers are essential to evolution.

                      This is true, especially in mammals and birds since without a mother’s care all offspring would die.

                      Also, on a molecular level it is the mother who provides half the DNA to here offspring.

                      If a female baby dies of starvation because her mother didn’t feed her, then that female cannot mature and become a mother.

                      Consequently, without mothers there would be no birds or mammals and no you or me.

                      Comment by silenceofmind — March 7, 2014 @ 2:16 pm

  2. That’s certainly the view of the US from the outside looking in.

    Comment by john zande — March 7, 2014 @ 9:53 am | Reply

    • “O wad some Power the giftie gie us To see oursels as ithers see us!”

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      Comment by stephenpruis — March 7, 2014 @ 10:00 am | Reply

      • Google Translate doesn’t recognise this language.

        It’s not just this hemisphere where the US did its dabbling. You bastards (meaning the CIA) orchestrated the overthrow of an Australian government in the 70’s.

        Comment by john zande — March 7, 2014 @ 10:15 am | Reply

        • Egad, I’ve heard nothing about that! Do you have a link to that story? (I have no doubt it is true. the fucking CIA has been wrong about everything and is hardly in control ever. The day before Russia went into the Crimea, the CIA told our Senate Intelligence Committee that the odds were very low that Russia would take overt action. Wrong. then wrong, wrong, wrong, … have those assholes ever been right?)

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          Comment by stephenpruis — March 7, 2014 @ 10:20 am | Reply

          • Here’s the wiki, and a more detailed explanation of the CIA was doing in Oz, which lead to the crisis. Of course, no one has ever come out and directly linked the CIA to the drama, but its common knowledge in Australia that the GG (Governor General) was played like the drunk he was.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Australian_constitutional_crisis

            http://www.serendipity.li/cia/cia_oz/cia_oz3.htm

            Comment by john zande — March 7, 2014 @ 10:54 am | Reply

            • Thanks!

              Comment by stephenpruis — March 7, 2014 @ 11:51 am | Reply

            • Aw, fuck! It is getting harder and harder to love my country. This grand experiment in self-governance is turning out to be a race to see who can emulate the fucking autocrats the best. I am not happy with Obama, not that a President I would approve of could get elected in this country. Expectations were high, but I am beginning to think that “hope” is just a carrot dangling from a string used to keep us proles moving forward, that is back to work.

              Comment by stephenpruis — March 7, 2014 @ 11:56 am | Reply

              • It’s a pity because whitlam was, by all accounts, a great PM: super intelligent, forward thinking, and the best orator we’ve ever had.

                Any way, here’s an important message for you:

                Comment by john zande — March 7, 2014 @ 12:02 pm | Reply

                • I nearly fell out of my chair! Effing brilliant! Whoever put that together is truly the Wizard of Oz! God (FSM, whatever) Bless Australia!

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                  Comment by stephenpruis — March 7, 2014 @ 12:08 pm | Reply

          • Here’s the important bit:

            During the crisis, Whitlam had alleged that Country Party Leader Anthony had close links to the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).[110] Subsequently, it was alleged that Kerr acted on behalf of the United States government in procuring Whitlam’s dismissal. The most common allegation is that the CIA influenced Kerr’s decision to dismiss Whitlam.[111] In 1966 Kerr had joined the Association for Cultural Freedom, a conservative group that was later revealed to have received CIA funding. Christopher Boyce, who was convicted for spying for the Soviet Union while an employee for a CIA contractor, claimed that the CIA wanted Whitlam removed from office because he threatened to close US military bases in Australia, including Pine Gap. Boyce said that Kerr was described by the CIA as “our man Kerr”.[112] Whitlam later wrote that Kerr did not need any encouragement from the CIA.[113] However, he also said that in 1977 United States Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher made a special trip to Sydney to meet with him and told him, on behalf of US President Jimmy Carter, of his willingness to work with whatever government Australians elected, and that the US would never again interfere with Australia’s democratic processes.[114]

            Comment by john zande — March 7, 2014 @ 10:56 am | Reply

            • The last bit shows some redeeming quality, but since then there has been no concerted effort to rein in the CIA nor to make it/require it to be more effective. Since then those guys have missed predicting all of the famous political watersheds (Fall of the Berlin Wall, collapse of the Soviet Union, 9-11, Russian invasions of Georgia, and Ukraine, etc., etc. If the bastards had some kind of track record, I would recommend a looser leash but they don’t.

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              Comment by stephenpruis — March 7, 2014 @ 12:03 pm | Reply

  3. Yeah, how dare the Russians mess with American interest in the part of the world about the existence of which we just learned a week ago?

    Comment by List of X — March 7, 2014 @ 10:06 am | Reply

    • X,

      Sarah Palin predicted the Russian invasion of Ukraine years ago.

      And President Obama mocked Mitt Romney in a 2012 debate when Romney referred to Russia as America’s geopolitical foe.

      Vlad Putin is and always will be a KGB thug.

      Comment by silenceofmind — March 7, 2014 @ 12:28 pm | Reply

      • SOM, even a broken clock is right twice a day. But Sarah Palin’s frequency of being right is, apparently, once every 5 years.
        I agree on Putin. But is Putin actually threatening the US? Is he at war with us? Do we both claim the same territory? What makes him a foe, national interests that don’t align with us, and ability to nuke us? Then you should add India, China, France, and Israel to the list of our geopolitical foes.

        Comment by List of X — March 7, 2014 @ 1:40 pm | Reply

        • X,

          Calling intelligent people with superior management skills and unsurpassed judgment isn’t an argument.

          Barack Obama is a complete, utter disaster who got lost in the shadow of Vlad Putin, a much greater, smarter tyrant than he.

          Comment by silenceofmind — March 7, 2014 @ 1:45 pm | Reply

          • “Calling intelligent people with superior management skills and unsurpassed judgment isn’t an argument.

            Barack Obama is a complete, utter disaster”
            I don’t even have to make any counterpoints to you, because you do such a good job at it.

            Comment by List of X — March 7, 2014 @ 2:16 pm | Reply

            • X,

              You don’t make any counter points to my arguments because you can’t.

              Obama is a proven disaster.

              If ObamaCare were so great why has Obama himself delayed its implementation until after he leaves office?

              Why was Ronald Reagan able to cure the Jimmy Carter mess in 18 months and you and President Obama are still blaming George Bush after 6 years?

              Comment by silenceofmind — March 7, 2014 @ 2:27 pm | Reply

              • The last time we had a discussion on this blog, I have asked you to name exact laws Reagan passed in his first 18 month in the office that you credit for fixing the economy. and then to strike out all those when Democrats had 41 or more Senators. I’m still waiting for that answer.
                As for “Obama is a proven disaster”, I asked you for the numbers to prove that: specifically, a) how much unemployment went up, b) how much corporate profits have declined, c) how much GDP has decreased, and d) how much lower Dow Jones is today compared to 1/21/2009. I’ve been waiting for that answer from you for months.
                And “Obama delayed Obamacare implementation”?? Dude, are you even following the news? Where have you been in the last year? It’s already implemented.

                Comment by List of X — March 7, 2014 @ 2:39 pm | Reply

                • X,

                  Ronald Reagan persuaded a Democrat-controlled Congress to cut taxes and regulations on the American people and American industry.

                  Contrast that with Obama’s complete lack of ability to work with his opposition.

                  ObamaCare was passed without a single GOP vote.

                  Otherwise Obama and the Democrats would be blaming the GOP right now for the unmitigated disaster that ObamaCare is.

                  Comment by silenceofmind — March 7, 2014 @ 2:42 pm | Reply

                  • So no proofs and no numbers once again 🙂
                    Yes, Obama made a mistake in going to his inauguration ball – he should have instead attended that Republican strategy meeting scheduled om the same day, where GOP leaders agreed to oppose everything on Obama’s agenda, and he should have “persuade” them to vote with him.
                    Now, I don’t know if you call yourself Republican, but are definitely opposed to Obama. What would Obama need to say to YOU, to get YOU to support something that you don’t already support? Like, would you agree to Obamacare if he promised to never touch gun control? Would you agree to raise minimum wage if he promised to cut Medicare? Tell me. How would he persuade YOU to vote for ANYTHING on his agenda, but against YOURS?

                    Comment by List of X — March 7, 2014 @ 2:52 pm | Reply

                    • X,

                      You’ll have to do your own homework.

                      If you can’t see what a proven disaster Obama is and that is happening in front of your very eyes, me citing data from the over 30 years will be gibberish to you.

                      You’re asking me to waste my time.

                      And that isn’t neighborly or just.

                      Comment by silenceofmind — March 7, 2014 @ 3:05 pm

                    • Right, SOM, I am glad that you realize that I’m asking you to waste your time. Because you already know that you won’t like the data you will find.
                      And I don’t need to tell you that whether president is good or bad is not judged by their approval rating, but what they accomplish. Or do I need to tell you that?

                      Comment by List of X — March 7, 2014 @ 3:10 pm

                    • X,

                      I lived before and during the Reagan Administration.

                      What he did domestically and in foreign policy was nothing short of miraculous.

                      Pax Americana and 25 years of prosperity were brought about by Ronald Reagan and ended by Barack Obama.

                      Your attempt to deflect away from your own vacuous arguments can’t change what an entire generation saw with their own eyes.

                      Comment by silenceofmind — March 7, 2014 @ 3:22 pm

        • Here is the brilliant Barack Obama in action.

          He can’t seem to figure out why everyone is laughing at him:

          http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/07/obama-misspells-respect-while-praising-franklin-before-white-house-concert/

          Sorry for the commercial at the beginning.

          Comment by silenceofmind — March 7, 2014 @ 2:39 pm | Reply

          • Oh. So THAT’s why Obama is a proven disaster!

            Comment by List of X — March 7, 2014 @ 2:41 pm | Reply

            • X,

              Stupid is as stupid does.

              The disaster of the Obama Regime has been in the news for 6 years now.

              A recent poll showed Obama’s approval rating tanking to 39%.

              Yet Democrat voters approve of him at a staggering 69%. That’s down from 73%

              The point is that President Obama could deliver the Earth to space aliens and Democrat voters would still approve.

              Comment by silenceofmind — March 7, 2014 @ 3:02 pm | Reply

              • I’m just never going to get the numbers on the economy from you, am I?

                Comment by List of X — March 7, 2014 @ 3:11 pm | Reply

                • X,

                  No you’re not.

                  You can’t see what is in front of your own eyes.

                  That means numbers don’t mean anything to you.

                  You demand numbers to make stupid look intelligent.

                  Numbers can’t compensate for a lack of basic common sense, situational awareness and even a rudimentary ability to reason.

                  Comment by silenceofmind — March 7, 2014 @ 3:29 pm | Reply

                  • SOM, you believe in miracles and personal attacks as arguments, and I believe only in what can be proven with actual data and numbers. So yes, if data conflicts with common sense, I’ll go with data. Wasn’t it common sense that told people that Earth is flat, and Sun revolves around it?

                    Comment by List of X — March 7, 2014 @ 3:55 pm | Reply

                    • X,

                      Because I don’t peel you a grape before I go on a Wizard of Oz fool’s errand doesn’t mean that the proof you demand doesn’t exist.

                      Proof means nothing to people who are enthralled to ideology.

                      Comment by silenceofmind — March 7, 2014 @ 3:59 pm

                    • “Proof means nothing to people who are enthralled to ideology.”
                      Exactly, SOM.

                      Comment by List of X — March 7, 2014 @ 4:00 pm

                    • X,

                      To prove my point about slavery to ideology, I cited numbers showing that Democrat voters don’t care about results or that President Obama has been lying about ObamaCare from the very beginning.

                      Yet my citation went completely over your head.

                      That’s why I’m not going to track down data for you. Because to you it’s meaningless.

                      You only believe what conforms to your ideology regardless of reality.

                      Comment by silenceofmind — March 7, 2014 @ 4:25 pm

                    • That’s because you didn’t prove any disaster. You gave Obama’s approval rating, which is still about 4 times times that of Congress. (Once again, no numbers about the actual state of economy) And you proved (what a shock!) that Democratic voters view Democratic president more favorably than the Democrats and Republicans combined. Next, maybe you should do some ground-breaking research on whether meat-eaters have a higher opinion of burgers than vegetarians.

                      Comment by List of X — March 7, 2014 @ 4:49 pm

                    • X,

                      The ObamaCare disaster is in the news every single day.

                      Why has President Obama delayed the implementation of ObamaCare until after he leaves office?

                      Because ObamaCare is a complete disaster.

                      Comment by silenceofmind — March 7, 2014 @ 4:57 pm

                    • Ok. You win. Obama is a disaster, because he is a disaster, and this is why the news say he’s a disaster, and because of that, he’s a disaster. Also Obamacare. I can’t argue with that. Your logic is absolutely perfect, and no amount of evidence can ever disprove it, because no step in this logical loop actually relies on any evidence.

                      Comment by List of X — March 7, 2014 @ 5:07 pm


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