Class Warfare Blog

February 19, 2014

“Legally” Killing Americans Willy-Nilly

We are told the President and his staff are debating killing another American citizen overseas using missile-equipped drones. To such has the “due process” promised by the Constitution been reduced. And this is only possible because the “War on Terror” has a defined battlefield of the entire effing planet. Back when wars had limited scope, someone plotting to do harm to the U.S. might be convicted of conspiracy, but they certainly would get a trial of some kind and all that that implies (counsel, rule of law, jury or judge). Only by taking action upon a battlefield could they be killed outright. Hell, this country broke with precedent and tradition to actually try all of the Nazi leaders after WWII in Nuremburg. So far we have fallen. And our President is a Constitutional Law professor, apparently not a very good one. Maybe the NRA has convinced the White House to take a shoot first and ask questions later approach. Think about it: Global Stand Your Ground (Oooh, they threaten us, kill, kill!)

If you are one of those who think all bad guys need to be punished, I suggest you could find targets for your drones much closer, say on Wall Street.

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14 Comments »

  1. War is not about courtroom justice or punishing criminals.

    War is about annihilating an enemy that is trying to annihilate you.

    Before the Nazi leaders were put on trial, the Allies had bombed Germany to rubble.

    The Japanese only quit when the Americans destroyed two cities with atomic bombs.

    Drone strikes are so much more merciful in that they attack and annihilate the enemy without having to reduce entire cities to broken bricks and cement dust.

    Comment by silenceofmind — February 19, 2014 @ 11:06 am | Reply

    • The war on terror is a fake war which will never end and serves only to maintain a supply of money to the military-industrial complex without the trouble of actually going to war, and creates more terrorists of which we can continue to be afraid.

      And now you’re saying that war is hell, so let’s target our own civilians without due process. Interning the Japanese-Americans during WWII was probably a good idea too.

      Comment by Ignostic Atheist — February 19, 2014 @ 12:57 pm | Reply

      • Iggy,

        The war on terror is a “fake war.”

        Tell that to the thousands who have lost loved ones to terrorism.

        Saddam Hussein and his maniac sons were destabilizing the entire Middle East before George Bush the Younger bombed him back to the Stone Age, hunted him down like a mongrel dog and then watched as the grateful nation of Iraq hung the bastard.

        Comment by silenceofmind — February 19, 2014 @ 6:42 pm | Reply

  2. “Drone strikes are so much more merciful in that they attack and annihilate the enemy …”

    What a sheltered life you must lead SOM.

    The Bureau of Investigative Journalism estimates the following cumulative statistics about US drone strikes:
    (As of July 2013)

    Total strikes: 370
    Total reported killed: 2,548 – 3,549
    Civilians reported killed: 411 – 890
    Children reported killed: 168 – 197
    Total reported injured: 1,177 – 1,480
    Strikes under the Bush Administration: 52
    Strikes under the Obama Administration: 318

    Not so merciful for about 1100 civilians, 200 of them were children, being killed. Odd that the christian here justifies such “merciful” action. Jesus would be pleased.

    Comment by lbwoodgate — February 19, 2014 @ 12:04 pm | Reply

    • Blessed are the merciful because they shall kill fewer with drones than with carpet bombing

      Comment by lbwoodgate — February 19, 2014 @ 3:09 pm | Reply

      • Woody,

        Killing who needs to be kill without killing the innocent is a good thing.

        Comment by silenceofmind — February 19, 2014 @ 7:16 pm | Reply

        • “Killing who needs to be kill without killing the innocent is a good thing.”

          More of your Christian values SOM? Such killing may be “necessary” but “good”? Oy vey!

          Comment by lbwoodgate — February 20, 2014 @ 6:33 am | Reply

          • Woody,

            You needn’t get stressed out over religion.

            The basics are laid out by simple common sense.

            Comment by silenceofmind — February 20, 2014 @ 7:11 am | Reply

            • “You needn’t get stressed out over religion”

              No worry here SOM. I get much comic relief from religionists like you.

              Comment by lbwoodgate — February 20, 2014 @ 8:00 am | Reply

          • Woody,

            Here is a link to another very informative article on global warming written by two scientists:

            http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303945704579391611041331266?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303945704579391611041331266.html%3Fmod%3DWSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

            These scientists reiterate the point that the predictions of global warming are based on computer models.

            They include a graph that shows the disparity between actual climate data and the computer models.

            You will also see that CO2 is central to the issue of global warming.

            Comment by silenceofmind — February 20, 2014 @ 7:33 am | Reply

            • “Here is a link to another very informative article on global warming written by two scientists”

              Well good for you SOM. You finally found a couple of climate scientist who disagree with the preponderance of climate scientists on man-made global warming.

              Hope you noticed that they agree that the globe is warming and not cooling as you emphasized earlier. Give me a little time to digest this tract and I’ll point out what foibles exist in it.

              Comment by lbwoodgate — February 20, 2014 @ 8:10 am | Reply

              • Woody,

                Earth climate warms and cools all the time.

                One of the points that the article conclusively demonstrates is that the issue of global warming is being driven by bias, not science.

                That means that global warming is 100% political.

                Comment by silenceofmind — February 20, 2014 @ 8:24 am | Reply

            • Okay SOM I’ve read the article by McNider and Christy and reviewed your comments above. What exactly is it here that refutes the climate science that says man-made global warming is very likely the result of human actions. The authors seem to challenge the results of climate models but in ways that presume because there are inconsistencies with the models that therefore the entirety of peer-reviewed material that suggest mean global temperatures is rapidly increasing and has been since fossil fuels entered into the equation over 250 years ago.

              I suspect that McNider and Christy are engaging in some straw man arguments here too and got that indication from the git go. Just below the title is the statement that says “It was the scientific skeptics who bucked the ‘consensus’ and said the Earth was round.”. This statement starts the entire article out by misleading the reader, ignoring the fact that those “scientific skeptics” back in the dark ages were confronting a NON-scientific “consensus, i.e., religious leaders versed more in the supernatural matters than the natural physical sciences. The skeptics today remain a small percentage of the climate science majority so this is a bogus comparison by McNider and Christy.

              If you are suggesting as they are that the models’ inconsistencies on global temperatures somehow debunks the climate science consensus on man-made global warming you may want to see what these real climate science are saying about the models here In this link you will also see graphs that explain that though the models may very in their temperatures ranges, all of them show an upward trajectory over a a significant period of time. These graphs also dispute your silly contention below that says “Earth climate warms and cools all the time” This irrelevant notion isn’t in dispute. What is critical here is that not only does this up and down of cooling and warming during relatively short periods show a long term upward trajectory in mean global temperatures but is doing it at a rate faster than any other time in recorded history that can account for CO2 conditions around 1 million years ago.

              ”These scientists reiterate the point that the predictions of global warming are based on computer models.”

              So what? So are current day weather forecasts but because they miss a small percentage of the time doesn’t mean they don’t offer an overall long term value to humans in making plans down the road.

              So, tell me specifically, if you can, what you think this article does to prop up your notion that global warming is a hoax.

              Comment by lbwoodgate — February 20, 2014 @ 12:00 pm | Reply

  3. I find this strategy odd. Announcing it is very strange. So weird in fact that it seems almost like a ploy to rattle a bush, rather than actually target someone.

    Comment by john zande — February 19, 2014 @ 3:53 pm | Reply


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