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January 18, 2014

Climate Confusion: There is No Debate!

In an opinion piece in today’s New York Times (If You See Something, Say Something), Michael E. Mann, the director of the Earth System Science Center at Pennsylvania State University and the author of “The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars: Dispatches from the Front Lines stated: “The overwhelming consensus among climate scientists is that human-caused climate change is happening. Yet a fringe minority of our populace clings to an irrational rejection of well-established science. This virulent strain of anti-science infects the halls of Congress, the pages of leading newspapers and what we see on TV, leading to the appearance of a debate where none should exist.”

So far so good, but he then goes on to state:
“Until the public fully understands the danger of our present trajectory, those debates are likely to continue to founder.” (He goes on to encourage scientists to engage in the “debate.”)

Arrrrghhh! There is no debate. The public understands.

“This is the only problem—it is called corruption.”

The core of the problem is that Washington politicians and many state politicians have been paid large sums of money to take positions in opposition to the reality of climate change. And you don’t have to discuss the merits of solutions if you don’t recognize there is a problem—stalemate! The Fox (sic) News Channel reinforces those ideas because it has received large amounts of money for doing so. No reputable news organization opposes the science of climate change.

This is the only problem—it is called corruption, political corruption. It’s base is that we allow corporations that are regulated by government to give money to those politicians regulating them, even when they are not running for office. From then on it is the Golden Rule (Them’s that has the gold makes the rules!)

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10 Comments »

  1. Yes, unfortunately the science cannot not state ABSOLUTELY that man-made global warming is real. The deniers use this to make the public think that the debate is not yet over about human effects on global warming.

    But science seldom deals in absolutes. In the case of anthropogenic global warming all the available data they have from years and years of extensive research from sources around the globe scientist have concluded that “Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average of air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global sea average.

    Most of the increase in globally observed temperatures since the mid 2oth century is very likely (90% probable) due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations – 2007 IPCC report

    Comment by lbwoodgate — January 18, 2014 @ 9:10 am | Reply

    • Science has never been aboute absolutes but we tend to teach it that way. And while many are pressing to teach computer coding to our kids I would much rather they teach algebra, geometry, and *statistics*. All of these maths are needed to understand the world arround us.

      Comment by stephenpruis — January 18, 2014 @ 9:24 am | Reply

      • On the other hand, Christians are 100% certain of everything,

        Comment by List of X — January 18, 2014 @ 6:26 pm | Reply

  2. Global warming is a proven hoax along with various other hoaxes that supposedly come from academia.

    Michael Mann and Phil Jones, the lead global warming hoaxers were busted by a hacker over 4 years ago.

    In emails Mann and Jones were seen cooking data and corrupting the peer review process.

    Only total imbeciles still believe in the global warming hoax.

    Comment by silenceofmind — January 18, 2014 @ 9:34 am | Reply

    • Only total imbeciles still believe that this information is valid any longer. Been debunked for years now. Living in the past SOM.

      Comment by lbwoodgate — January 18, 2014 @ 11:36 am | Reply

      • SOM, quit reading conservative blogs and newspapers bought and paid for by dirty energy and take a look at the vast amounts of scientific research from scientific and academic institutions around the world. I also suggest that you look at the eight investigations that were done to prove that the emails from Phil Jones and Michael Mann were taken out of context — of course, I doubt that you will bother.

        Intelligent people who bother to research, read and investigate understand that human-caused climate change is very real and is causing oceans to warm and rise, and ice caps and glaciers to melt rapidly, to name a few consequences of a warming world. .

        Comment by Speakoutforscience — January 18, 2014 @ 2:24 pm | Reply

  3. The actual emails of Mann and Jones will be valid until the second coming Christ.

    In addition, did you hear about the global warming ship that got stuck in Antarctic ice?

    The rescue ship got stuck too.

    A US Coast Guard ship burning fossil fuels had to rescue them.

    You an atheist, believe that everything happened all by itself.

    That means you’ll believe anything and everything except the truth.

    Comment by silenceofmind — January 18, 2014 @ 11:42 am | Reply

    • ‘In addition, did you hear about the global warming ship that got stuck in Antarctic ice?”

      Ice, in the Antarctic, in the dead of winter. Wow! Shocker! What will happen next? Daylight disappearing after the sun sets??

      Comment by lbwoodgate — January 18, 2014 @ 11:53 am | Reply

    • WHY WE EXPERIENCE HEAVY SNOW FALLS IN WINTER – One thing that happens as the climate warms is that part of the increased evaporation from the warmer ocean serves to increase the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere. That same water vapor will cycle through and fall as precipitation. Precipitation thus increases as water vapor cycles through the atmosphere more rapidly. There will be more snowfall and rainfall in a warmer world than there is in today’s world, just as rainfall is more abundant in the tropics than it is in the higher latitudes. A warmer world will have an accelerated hydrological cycle, so the whole process intensifies: more water evaporates from the sea, rises into the atmosphere, condenses into clouds, precipitates out, and flows down through streams and rivers into the ocean once again. p.9

      From Prof. Richard Sommerville’s book The Forgiving Air

      Comment by lbwoodgate — January 18, 2014 @ 11:59 am | Reply

  4. Reblogged this on AFA Bollenstreek.

    Comment by oogenhand — January 19, 2014 @ 3:23 pm | Reply


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