Class Warfare Blog

April 24, 2013

Motivated by Religious Fervor

The disclosure that the Boston Marathon Bombers were “motivated by religious fervor” possibly doesn’t surprise anyone and it shouldn’t. But can you imagine that they had been motivated by atheistic fervor? That they were really mad at all of the religious and wanted them to suffer? It is really hard to imagine. Has it ever been the case? I don’t think so.

Atheists are under represented in terrorist cells and prisons, yet the religious tell us that without religion, gasp, without religion we would be amoral, we would be no better than ravening beasts.

Once again, fear motivates people and not well at all. The Christian religion teaches that our own motivations are untrustworthy, only those guided by their priests and ministers are. Gosh, that couldn’t be just a self serving statement could it?

Around the globe the data are pouring in—the more religious a country or state is, the more violence one can expect.

The not so charming aspect of faith, is it is impervious to reality checks.

Plus all the religious can just tsk, tsk, and say “Their religion is the bad one.” It is interesting that Muslims think the same of the Christians in this country who mutilate their holy scripture as an expression of free speech.

I tend to agree with them . . . both of them.

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11 Comments »

  1. Yes! This.

    Well said.

    Irony, it makes life so much more colourful…

    Comment by AmRestorative — April 24, 2013 @ 2:31 pm | Reply

    • Yes, amber colored I believe.

      I liked your blog but the only way to follow was through the Reader, which I don’t care for. Have you considered putting up the “Follow by Email” button?

      Comment by stephenpruis — April 24, 2013 @ 2:47 pm | Reply

  2. Best colour in the world. Thanks for you kinds words about my blog. Good idea about the email option. Never thought of that for some reason. Maybe because I didn’t expect people to read! Button added now, so try it out.

    Comment by AmRestorative — April 24, 2013 @ 2:53 pm | Reply

  3. Atheists have done plenty of murdering. USSR and China killed more people last century than all religions combined in the history of the world. Was it “in the name of” atheism? Not exactly. It was in the name of economics (mostly). The point is that atheism gives no guidance that would place human life, over anything else.

    In fact, atheism gives no guidance at all. “God doesn’t exist”. That’s atheism in its entirety. There’s no virtue in it. It leaves it to individuals to determine what to do. One might say, “God doesn’t exist, BUT I should treat people the way I would like to be treated”. One might just as easily say, “God doesn’t exist, SO there’s no problem killing millions of my political rivals”.

    Atheists can be good. Absolutely. But, when they don’t murder (for example) because they think it’s wrong to do, it cannot be said that atheism is what guides them. It can be noted (and should be acknowledged by you) that they agree with the Judeo-Christian commandment “Thou shalt not murder”.

    As for the correlation between violence and religion, I find it interesting and troubling (on its face). I’d like to know if it’s more than a correlation.

    Comment by conservative2cents — April 26, 2013 @ 11:16 am | Reply

    • Absolutely correct, but you don’t go far enough. You say that atheism doesn’t guide them, but then what does? They don’t seem to be over represented in the purge business. (Hitler was a Catholic and worked with the Church through the war. Mao was a Maoist. But so what?) So, what guides the behavior of atheists? Humanism, maybe? Apparently it doesn’t take religion to do good and religion doesn’t stop people from doing bad. The point is atheists take a lot of heat for having no moral code but this doesn’t play out.

      Comment by stephenpruis — April 26, 2013 @ 12:05 pm | Reply

      • Religion tries. Atheism doesn’t. That’s all. Good atheists have gotten their values from somewhere other than their disbelief in supernatural beings. Murderers get their values from somewhere other than a Christian church. Being a murdering Christian is being bad at being a Christian. Being a murdering atheist is just being an atheist. You can’t be an atheist that falls short of the expectations of atheism.

        Atheists never pass on the opportunity to tell me that atheism isn’t inherently evil. I agree. But only because it’s inherently amoral. Empty.

        You suggest that atheists are guided by humanism (“maybe”). Well, that may be the case with most good atheists. That’s fine, but that’s atheism plus something good. Atheism plus something bad gives us Stalin.

        You seem to be arguing for humanism. I think humanism is better than nothing. But then anything good (or at least better than evil) is better than the nothingness atheism offers.

        My main point is that atheism does not necessarily breed goodness. It’s merely a void that allows whatever motivation to act one chooses to fill it. Whether that be humanism, pragmatism, pure selfishness, or the perceived need to murder those who dare speak out against your regime.

        Comment by conservative2cents — April 26, 2013 @ 11:18 pm | Reply

        • Amazing: “Being a murdering Christian is being bad at being a Christian. Being a murdering atheist is just being an atheist.”

          Atheism isn’t empty. It necessarily throws one onto one’s own resources rather than to depend on fairly lame religious teachings. Consider the average Christian’s experience of going to church once a week and hearing a sermon. How many of those sermons address the topic of ethics or morality? Compare with a college course in which you might get three lectures per week plus homework exercise, plus exams. Do you know of a church which gives a class in morality? Can you state exactly what is Christian morality? I have asked a number of people this very question and I get answers like: the Golden Rule, which predate Christianity. and the Ten Commandements which don’t address small issues like slavery and extortion. Just what is this great morality that people keep referring to or is this just another topic that you have faith in (they are Christians, hence they must be moral). Christians are no more moral and many other groups, including Atheists, so where is the evidence that Christian morality is superior.

          How about “Being a murdering atheist/Christian is just being a murderer.”

          Comment by stephenpruis — April 27, 2013 @ 7:58 am | Reply

          • Murder goes against “Thou shalt not”. It doesn’t go against any atheist tenet, because there are none.

            You say it leaves you to your own resources. You’re right. Can you address Stalin? Was he not an atheist left to his own resources?

            You’re acting as if atheism is a moral code, when most atheists I talk to never would. They are frustrated by religious people who say atheism is inherently evil. Rightly so. Because your disbelief in the God I believe in is exactly the same as my disbelief in a Hindu god. If the answer to the question “Do you believe in Vishnu?” is “No”, does it tell you anything about that person’s character? Of course not. It’s just something that’s not there (a void).

            You believe that the golden rule is good, no matter who said it, right? Well, whether Jesus said it first or not, he said it. And to his followers, it matters that he said it at all. Had he said “Ice cream is awesome”, whether some kid had said it before, it would carry more weight with Christians because He said it. The golden rule absolutely is part of Christianity and one of the moral teachings you seem to think doesn’t exist in it.

            And I don’t know what church you’ve attended, but my church’s pastors are constantly applying the bible to life. We have a youth program that’s growing by leaps and bounds. The teens hear talks about all kinds of topics that relate to their lives and how the bible addresses them.

            As for extortion, look it up. Though the ten commandments don’t expressly forbid it, it’s mentioned negatively in the bible 14 times.

            And slavery was quite a different thing than what we think of today. In fact, the bible strictly forbids the type of slavery that was practiced in the U.S.
            “He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death.” (Exodus 21:16)

            The rest of the mentions of slavery seem to condone it, but most of those were meant to protect the slaves, which is another good part of the bible’s teachings, isn’t it?

            Comment by conservative2cents — April 28, 2013 @ 2:55 pm | Reply

            • The Thou shalt not comit murder is of another Jew. The Bible documents millions of killing by and for Yahweh, including Jews. So, much for thous shalt not murder.

              Athism isn’t a moral code, but it leaves a hole for one instead of filling it with a vacant one. As I said before, a statement of Christian morality would be most forthcoming because it isn’t taught so much talked about without stating what it clearly claims. Whatever it is it doen’t change Christian behaviors anymore that that of othe religions, so it can hardly be held up as a superior code.

              Comment by stephenpruis — April 28, 2013 @ 8:57 pm | Reply

              • Here’s the problem with moral codes. It’s something most religious people understand. Human beings fall short. You could devise the perfect code and we imperfect humans will break it.

                I still think our consciences are inadequate, like Christians say.

                Comment by conservative2cents — April 29, 2013 @ 6:53 am | Reply


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